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NL400 deep: top set but str8 possible NL400 deep: top set but str8 possible

01-11-2008 , 12:47 PM
I'm guessing this is straightforward: just seeking confirmation because we're so deep, and it's somewhat unfamiliar territory for me.
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Villain is 50/23/3.8 over 300 hands.

He seemed quite active against smaller stacks: pre and postflop, but not as much against me. We rarely got past the turn. He was actually playing rather passive against me postflop, but would occasionally min CR a flop. But I did see him make some typically horrible maniac plays against others for a single buy-in.

How's my play?

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $400
SB: $382.45
BB: $415.90
UTG: $793.10
MP: $2,231.40
Hero (CO): $1,291.45

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, Hero raises to $24, 4 folds, MP calls $20

Flop: ($58) 8 Q 6 (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $42, MP calls $42

Turn: ($142) 9 (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $90, MP raises to $200, Hero calls $110

River: ($542) 5 (2 Players)
MP bets $340, Hero calls $340
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01-11-2008 , 02:08 PM
Augh, get it in on the turn. Sure, JT and 57 arrived but he can still have some 2-pair hands, undersets and so on.
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01-11-2008 , 02:27 PM
he is 300 bb deep. I like how this is played
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01-11-2008 , 02:28 PM
Villain is 50/23/3.8 over 300 hands. <- against this guy, im shoving top set here all day.
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01-11-2008 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by coldi
Villain is 50/23/3.8 over 300 hands. <- against this guy, im shoving top set here all day.
You realize that you're not getting it in good here unless you've oversetted him right? And also against this guy you have to worry about 57o rather than just 57s and him peeling the flop with JTo.

This is one of those spots where if he has a hand you beat and he'd stack off with, he probably made a terrible call rather than raise on the flop, which you will hate him for forever.
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01-11-2008 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by coldi
Villain is 50/23/3.8 over 300 hands.
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Originally Posted by mustmuck
You realize that you're not getting it in good here unless you've oversetted him right?
lol, 50/23/3.8 = braindead. But im probably just call turn though.
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01-11-2008 , 03:49 PM
i say he has a str8 on the turn like most of the time, but his raise is so small, so the decision is somewhat close mathematically, so i call the turn and hope the river pairs the board. on the river - read his soul, but i'm more inclined to fold, call me a nit, whatever

edit: changed my mind, i call him to get a read on him

coldi, shoving for 300bb only top set? ))

Last edited by Uuuhcall; 01-11-2008 at 04:07 PM.
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01-11-2008 , 03:55 PM
I would be really frustrated that not all the money went in, but this might even be a good way to play the hand.. Getting it in on the turn can't be that bad though...
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01-11-2008 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Uuuhcall
i say he has a str8 on the turn like most of the time, but his raise is so small, so the decision is somewhat close mathematically, so i call the turn and hope the river pairs the board. on the river - read his soul, but i'm more inclined to fold, call me a nit, whatever

coldi, shoving for 300bb only top set? ))
"only top set" vs. braindead villain? yes i shove there.
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01-11-2008 , 04:07 PM
100-120bb - i won't even think about screaming ARRRR IINNN but for 300bb - i'm not a big fan of this type of play. And yeah, i call the river after all, coz it is a very valuable read on the villain.
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01-11-2008 , 04:08 PM
wp
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01-11-2008 , 04:31 PM
Why can't he have 89 here? Sure he could have some gutshots that hit but he could have turned two pair, flopped a set, turned a set, be slowplaying an overpair, and god knows what else. I 3bet turn for sure and I doubt he ever gets away from two pair or better on this board if we make it $600.
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01-12-2008 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aislephive
Why can't he have 89 here? Sure he could have some gutshots that hit but he could have turned two pair, flopped a set, turned a set, be slowplaying an overpair, and god knows what else. I 3bet turn for sure and I doubt he ever gets away from two pair or better on this board if we make it $600.
finally someone whos got it right
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01-12-2008 , 02:53 PM
yeah exactly, also bet more on flop/turn
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01-12-2008 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by aislephive
Why can't he have 89 here? Sure he could have some gutshots that hit but he could have turned two pair, flopped a set, turned a set, be slowplaying an overpair, and god knows what else. I 3bet turn for sure and I doubt he ever gets away from two pair or better on this board if we make it $600.
agree
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01-12-2008 , 04:09 PM
i get it in on the turn.
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01-12-2008 , 05:16 PM
Did you ask yourself why he wasn't active against you but only against shorties? Because he is afraid of you since you have 3 buyins and even the biggest donks tighten up considerably when that deep. I like how this is played. You are certainly good enough to call the river here, because he might be just betting a set.
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