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03-27-2011 , 03:37 PM

Number1Hater

Confused About Butt Stuff

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14,214

no stats/reads. new player.

is this a b/f? or check behind? or raise more on flop and shove turn?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8532192

BB: $15.04 (60.2 bb)
UTG: $54.60 (218.4 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25.80 (103.2 bb)
SB: $21.95 (87.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.10) 8

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1.75, MP folds, Hero raises to $5.25, BB folds, UTG calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.60) 9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $14, [color="red"]Hero?

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03-27-2011 , 03:47 PM

Infection

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You have like 21% equity against a flush and he's never getting away from it, so folding here when it costs 7$ to win a stack isn't really an option IMO.

I do like a bigger raise OTF. It's gonna be hard to set up a shove though OTT.

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03-27-2011 , 04:09 PM

Profish2285

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Call the turn minraise, c/f if you dont boat up and donk shove if you do.

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03-27-2011 , 04:23 PM

Number1Hater

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Originally Posted by Profish2285

Call the turn minraise, c/f if you dont boat up and donk shove if you do.

ill have like 3 dollars left if i call the $7. if im going to call shouldn't i just shove?

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03-27-2011 , 04:26 PM

ExpectedV

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I would prob bf even if villain has 2p or a set I think he would just get it in otf.

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03-27-2011 , 04:28 PM

Mark89er

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jezz wat a **** turn card

b/s, check, b/f all are close on this turn imo

moar flop tho but doesnt help u on that card

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03-27-2011 , 04:31 PM

Profish2285

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

ill have like 3 dollars left if i call the $7. if im going to call shouldn't i just shove?

For some reason I thought this was NL50 when looking at the villains stack. Yea Im just folding to his min raise, he has a flush a lot and you dont have odds to call for a board pair.

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03-27-2011 , 04:39 PM

Number1Hater

Confused About Butt Stuff

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i always get stuck in these spots, and end up losing buy in after buy in. i dont know if checking behind is correct, or you have to bet/fold or bet/call.

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03-27-2011 , 05:17 PM

Mark89er

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cross posted with ubbv
1st hand in a while that hmmm wtf do i do,

if i was playing, aaaa **** allin, i has a set

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03-27-2011 , 05:27 PM

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Ksight3

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Check turn

As played get it in.

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03-27-2011 , 05:36 PM

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Mark89er

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if u were oop andy, wud u be more likely to bet? or c/c......

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03-27-2011 , 05:52 PM

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JesusEatsCheese

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we either have to b/c or check back we should never be b/f, not really sure what id do tho

and mark if we were oop id just b/c

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03-27-2011 , 05:55 PM

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Ksight3

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Originally Posted by Mark89er

if u were oop andy, wud u be more likely to bet? or c/c......

c/c

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03-27-2011 , 05:59 PM

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Spraggy

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Originally Posted by Ksight3

Check turn

As played get it in.

This is very wrong.

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03-27-2011 , 06:14 PM

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kidacao

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bigger on the flop. bigger on the turn aswell

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03-27-2011 , 06:21 PM

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Lemay002

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Originally Posted by Profish2285

Call the turn minraise, c/f if you dont boat up and donk shove if you do.

This is a bad advice, vilain is value betting all of his flushes on rivers that pairs board, by checking we keep bluffs in his range.

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03-27-2011 , 06:27 PM

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Profish2285

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Originally Posted by Lemay002

This is a bad advice, vilain is value betting all of his flushes on rivers that pairs board, by checking we keep bluffs in his range.

Right, we should rely on random unknowns to raise the turn and shove the river as a bluff.

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03-27-2011 , 06:44 PM

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Ksight3

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

This is very wrong.

No you spraggadonk

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03-27-2011 , 07:13 PM

#19

Lemay002

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Originally Posted by Profish2285

Right, we should rely on random unknowns to raise the turn and shove the river as a bluff.

lol? I said we keep bluffs in his range which donking river cant accomplish.

ducy?

Donking river river would imply that vilain is checking behind hands that he would call a river bet with, and i dont see vilain doing that so i'd much rather c/c river.

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03-27-2011 , 07:18 PM

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ExpectedV

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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese

we either have to b/c or check back we should never be b/f, not really sure what id do tho

and mark if we were oop id just b/c

Why cant be b/f?

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03-27-2011 , 07:51 PM

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Profish2285

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Originally Posted by Lemay002

There are close to zero bluffs in his range at this point from an unknown, yet youre focused on keeping bluffs in his range for some reason. There are flushes and maybe a straight. The flush is never folding, but the last thing Id want to see is after I hit a boat the villain gets scared and checks behind his straight.

Of course this isnt relevant because the OP doesnt have odds to call for his boat anyway, but your logic doesnt make sense at all.

Last edited by Profish2285; 03-27-2011 at 08:02 PM.

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03-27-2011 , 08:14 PM

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Lemay002

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Originally Posted by Profish2285

There are close to zero bluffs in his range at this point from an unknown, yet youre focused on keeping bluffs in his range for some reason. There are flushes and maybe a straight. The flush is never folding, but the last thing Id want to see is after I hit a boat the villain gets scared and checks behind his straight.

Of course this isnt relevant because the OP doesnt have odds to call for his boat anyway, but your logic doesnt make sense at all.

This is making alot of assumptions vs unknown.

Vilain is value betting river with flush.

I highly doupt vilain is raising turn with str8, and the likelyhood of it <<< blufs imo. Do get your point though.

dont understand what you dont understand in my logic

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03-27-2011 , 09:34 PM

#23

Ksight3

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Originally Posted by ExpectedV

Why cant be b/f?

We put in too much money to fold a set

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03-27-2011 , 09:39 PM

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pokerfan65

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this hand reminds me of this awesome thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...y-turn-603516/

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03-27-2011 , 09:44 PM

#25

ExpectedV

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Originally Posted by Ksight3

We put in too much money to fold a set

I guess it might be a pots odds spot but too lazy to do the math right now. I think when we get it in here tho we are often drawing.

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