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[NL25 ZOOM] - Value shove vs PP's or c/f? [NL25 ZOOM] - Value shove vs PP's or c/f?

02-09-2014 , 10:23 AM
Villain is unknown, but not brought in full so would lead me to believe he's fishy... He has $13.62 left in $21 pot otr. I think this should be a shove as if he is fishy I don't think he's folding 77-QQ a lot, but think he could have Ahigh FD's in his range and if I check, the only hands he shove likely beat me so I don't need to worry about getting bluffed much as he checks back 77-QQ. So guess the decided factor are how often he calls 77-QQ otr?

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $16.69 (66.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $30.26 (121 bb)
BB: $17.89 (71.6 bb)
UTG: $16.71 (66.8 bb)
MP: $24.19 (96.8 bb)
CO: $39.92 (159.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.68, BB folds, MP calls $1.83

Flop: ($5.61) 5 5 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.72, MP calls $2.72

Turn: ($11.05) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.18, MP calls $5.18

River: ($21.41) A (2 players)

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Last edited by samcx; 02-09-2014 at 10:39 AM.
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02-09-2014 , 10:53 AM
If he's fishy he could have Ax though. I'm thinking shove though.
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02-09-2014 , 04:02 PM
Any more opinions on this?
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02-09-2014 , 04:07 PM
I think you should be slightly more on turn and flop but overall WP, and now shove.
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02-10-2014 , 09:34 AM
77-QQ is a lot of combos, more than Ax+. I would probably just jam it in and hope for the best. If it doesn't happen to be a fish then we are only worried about a few combos too.

Dunno if we should be auto x/f if we check though either vs a fish.
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02-10-2014 , 09:35 AM
shove
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02-10-2014 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Villain is unknown, but not brought in full so would lead me to believe he's fishy...
I would bet more OTF vs wide calling range. Is turn sizing a mistake vs fishy player? 6$ should have the same effect.
I think people might bluff on the ace, even with some SDV.
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02-10-2014 , 12:29 PM
more OTF and turn and ship riv. You can lose value vs the fish when a K/Q/J falls not to mention an ace. Id be more into betting that size vs a reg.
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02-10-2014 , 02:45 PM
I agree turn should be bigger vs a fish as it's not a spot I need to be balanced on to get fold equity on the river with my triple barrel bluffs - but I don't know this guy is a fish tbh - he's 3bb under 100bb's... that's the only evidence.

I don't think flop should be bigger vs anyone fwiw, very safe board and we want a smallish sizing so villain will call light/we can induce spaz.

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Results: I did indeed shove, villain snapped me off with AKo and typed "owned" in the chat box.


Last edited by samcx; 02-10-2014 at 02:58 PM.
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02-10-2014 , 03:21 PM
loled, at least now we know he is a fish
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