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05-04-2016 , 09:45 AM
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BB has FCbet= 38(5/13) Check-raise Turn= 33(1/3) WWSF= 57(27/47) W$SD= 61(8/13)

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 143.72 BB (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
SB: 94.2 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 166.6 BB (VPIP: 26.91, PFR: 18.35, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 335)
UTG: 170.72 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 25)
MP: 117 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (CO): 101.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) Q 2 7
BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Turn: (11.36 BB, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, BB raises to 24 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (59.36 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 56 BB, ???
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05-04-2016 , 10:19 AM
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no bluffs in his range but you only lose to 99, he may defend v wide q2ss etc, i prob jam river
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05-04-2016 , 10:52 AM
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Yeah, I call and ugh if it's QQ/99 and throw up if it's 22

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05-04-2016 , 12:00 PM
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BB bets 56BB on the river and we have approx 72BB left. We are never folding and QQ is very unlikely given action pre. Even 99 will 3bet pre a fair amount imo.

Therefore I shove the river. Cooler if we're beat and want to get max value when ahead.
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05-04-2016 , 12:51 PM
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I don't think we should shove river against a decent player
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05-04-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Shoving river folds all his bluffs/Q9 and gets us called by 99/Q2/22
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05-04-2016 , 01:07 PM
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With that said we can't fold
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05-04-2016 , 01:21 PM
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Shoving river folds all his bluffs/Q9 and gets us called by 99/Q2/22
Not saying a shove is definitely optimal but how can he fold to a shove - it will be 16BB more for him to call. Also we beat Q2.
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05-04-2016 , 01:25 PM
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I shove and lose to 99 occasionally and win vs Q2 Q9 Q7 KQ AQ
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05-04-2016 , 01:43 PM
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I shove and lose to 99 occasionally and win vs Q2 Q9 Q7 KQ AQ
Villain probably doesn't have Q2 in his defending range there is only 3 combos of Q7 left. KQ and AQ would 3b pre and even if they didn't they wouldn't be played like this unless we are up against a spazzoid

Call looks good otr
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05-04-2016 , 02:09 PM
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Quote:
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Villain probably doesn't have Q2 in his defending range there is only 3 combos of Q7 left. KQ and AQ would 3b pre and even if they didn't they wouldn't be played like this unless we are up against a spazzoid

Call looks good otr
Disagree about KQ AQ being 3b pre all the time, there are so many people who flat them.

3 combo's of Q7+scarce AQ KQ (maybe .5 combo's?)+(some random crap they do some of the time) is more combo's than 99
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05-04-2016 , 02:19 PM
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Villain would have to be a donk to call /w AQ KQ Q7 Q9 otr since our jamming range otr is gona have those hands beat 100% of the time. Also AQ KQ pretty much never plays like this.
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05-04-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Villain would have to be a donk to call /w AQ KQ Q7 Q9 otr since our jamming range otr is gona have those hands beat 100% of the time. Also AQ KQ pretty much never plays like this.
Why not give them chance? Q7 =/= 99 combo's
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05-04-2016 , 07:23 PM
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Fold river lol. We beat nothing
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05-05-2016 , 12:34 AM
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Pay him his money
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05-05-2016 , 01:53 AM
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Shove river he doesn't have QQ, and he has AQ just as often as 99.
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05-05-2016 , 09:27 PM
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Wasn't aware of stack sizes... I'm still just calling
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05-05-2016 , 09:58 PM
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Calling fast.

No (good) reason to jam.
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05-09-2016 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Theguyonyourleft
Not saying a shove is definitely optimal but how can he fold to a shove - it will be 16BB more for him to call. Also we beat Q2.
Doesn't matter if he never folds to a shove. We need to have 33% equity to make this a call, we need 50% to make it a shove. The 33% is close, we never get to 50%.
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