I think I was on tilt here and made a horrible play against a nit. Please critique. He cracked my AA with KK. allin pf.

CO 9/8/inf over 139 hands
HERO 25/17/2.4

I thought he was bluffing. I thought my nines were good.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($41.85)
BB ($25.50)
UTG ($27.70)
CO ($33.35)
BTN ($24.15)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

fold, CO raises to $1, fold, Hero calls $0.90, fold

FLOP ($2.25) 4 A 5

Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

TURN ($5.25) 4 A 5 J

Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

RIVER ($13.25) 4 A 5 J 2

Hero bets $4, CO raises to $12, Hero folds

CO wins $20.25

Imo you're representing exactly what you have with that line.

if you think he was bluffing why did you bet the river? You'll never fold out anything that is beating you besides maybe some weird jack or TT. If he has QQ or KK he'll probably call. If you think he's bluffing you're gonna have to c\c the river as well.

you're not repping anything that beats his perceived range so you turn your bluff catcher into a (very bad) bluff.

Calling flop is fine since villain should be c-betting here majority of the time. However, once he double-barrels you have to assume you're no good, and even if you are folding the best hand it's simply not a profitable situation to play bluff-catcher no matter how you analyze the hand vs. this villain.

He's a nit, so if we're going to assume he's somewhat positionally aware I'm guessing his range from the CO would be something like A9s+, 22+, AJo+, QJs+, KJs, KQo?

You didn't mention anything about his postflop play, but I'll assume weak-tight as a lot of nits seem to play this way. If that's the case then you could have just played the nines for set value or to steal on a flop that wasn't in his range (low cards, paired board, maybe Qxx and Jxx) and should have folded as soon as he showed interest.

If he was uber-nitty preflop and uber-aggressive postflop then I think a c/r to $3.75 might of been interesting if he was cbetting 100% of the time. I'm pretty sure this is +EV as he'd be folding something like half his range while you'd be risking 1:1. Everybody loves fold equity. Your hand isn't completely dead against most of his calling range either, so you have some equity if called here. If he called you could have just given up on it when his range is probably something like AT+ or a set. Unless you hit a 2 outer. Run good one tiiiimmmeeeeee.

Even if he's a maniac postflop calling is still bad. First off you're getting barely or not quite the pot odds to call (I think your equity vs his range is about 40%). We'd have to be playing our 99 OOP for straight up value against an aggressive opponent when we're pretty much beaten by his range. No fun at all. We'd be playing for straight up value because our only real bluff outs are threes and eights and even those don't look too likely.

I don't see any scenario where we should call or bet the turn, given his range, same on the river. Hope that's the kind of response you were looking for. Much love, may you find fish aplenty.

EDIT:

Wouldn't the last part of your post make the first part of your post untrue? If we have to fold the best hand on the turn/river the majority of the time after calling with it on the flop (and I agree that we do) then calling is not at all fine but -EV, isn't it? Considering that we're barely getting the right price to call on the flop, I mean.

For me its a fold. That board hits his range.(on the flop)

Why didnt you raise that cbet? (if you wanna make a move!)


Once he continues on that board, he has a monster or Ax hand. Those nits play "fit or fold postflop" so he is calling you with PPs and Ax(and X is a good kicker!).

Whats his fold to raise cbet on the flop? Whats his turn cbet?Whats his flop cbet?(i know your sample its a little small but it could help!)

You just got your redline worst and lost a couple of BB on spew.

On the flop we have less info than we do on the turn. How do you suggest playing subsequent streets if you opt for a c/r? You are escalating the pot unnecessarily and justifying it with "fold equity"? You are only getting called by any hand that has you beat and thus you're essentially turning your hand, which originally had showdown value, into a complete bluff. It's not really about "getting the right price", it's about logical post-flop play based on your hand-reading skills and your opponent's range. I recommended the fold on the turn because we have now gotten more information (him double-barreling/reppin an Ace) and can comfortably assume that most of his range to stab twice in this situation is beating us.

I c/c flop, c/f turn against this guy

Dont know about trying to bluff him on flop, would prefer do it with junk than a hand like 99

i shud hope marijuna maybe even diego but i dout dat very much. on the evidence of dat hand it would appear u r a nit also! anyways off to chase the dragon here so .............!

pot and gambling don't mix well perfect example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fya4b6I0a0

Fold the flop, your equity sucks against his range and you're OOP. Lets assume he's positionally aware so raising slightly wider than 8% from the CO. I've given him the top 8% of hands as well as 22-66 so 11% in total

Board: 4d Ah 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.269% 35.14% 01.13% 41395 1333.00 { 9d9h }
Hand 1: 63.731% 62.60% 01.13% 73749 1333.00 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }


The rest of the hand is played so bad I don't want to think about it.

+1

Against nits you don't want to be check calling in this situation.

whatever it is i want some

you're so beat i cried a little

C/F turn
I could see an argument to C/F flop

this

A little late, but I might as well explain my reasoning anyway. It's really pretty simple: because we'll be facing either a second barrel or a value bet on the turn the vast majority of the time our hand has very little showdown value. It hardly ever reaches showdown, and when it does it's hardly ever good. This makes our hand effectively air and I think this is the correct situation to turn a marginal made hand into a bluff. Note that I only recommended a raise if he was tight preflop and extremely aggressive postflop though. Against a weak/tight nit I recommended just folding on the flop.

i lolled irl

you were smoking the ashes of BandiChime.

I fold flop against such a nit. I'd c/c => c/f against someone looser. I might even 3Bet pf in this spot, you're ahead of anything other than TT+, and you may even get TT/JJ to laydown against this type of player.

High-strength skunk imo.