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02-25-2014 , 05:36 PM
Villain is 22/20/9 over 380 hands
Steal from CO=43%
cbet flop=90%
cbet turn=83%
AF= 2.9, 1.6, 4.0 over streets
AGG=62%, 40%, 27% over streets

No notes on postflop play.

Hero (BTN): $57.80 (231.2 bb)
SB: $59.90 (239.6 bb)
BB: $13.45 (53.8 bb)
UTG: $29.40 (117.6 bb)
MP: $22.05 (88.2 bb)
CO: $37.33 (149.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) K 3 9 (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30, BB folds

Turn: ($4.95) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $3.05, Hero calls $3.05

River: ($11.05) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO raises to $32.23 and is all-in, Hero ??
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02-25-2014 , 05:48 PM
Probably call. You're only worried about kk and K9(or small chance luckbox river set). I think he shows up with worse 9s or AA here enough to call
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02-25-2014 , 05:57 PM
Top of your range = call
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02-25-2014 , 07:32 PM
yeah pretty awkward spot. He can have bluffs though and we are at the top of our range besides 33.

I call but not happy about it.
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02-25-2014 , 07:53 PM
Steal from CO=43%
cbet flop=90%
cbet turn=83%

These are pretty high even if they are nowhere near merged. So he has a lot of air that he gets to the river with.
Your most probable hand is a missed draw when you bet. He can expect you to check behind Kx so it leaves only 9x or better for your bets for value.
It's hard for him to have an absolute monster. KK K9 33 maybe 44 that he barreled.
Out of these KK makes most sense because it's harder for him to bet it for value (you don't have many hands you can call with if he has two of the remaining 3 kings),
You still have more Kx 9x than draws so he should be betting 33 himself.

I call because:
He is repping very few valuehands (3x KK 1x K9s 2x K9o)
He should bet at least 33 44 himself, but obv once in a while he wont.
He has so much air he gets to OTR compared with hands he can c/r for value
You have quite many hands you can be bluffing with especially if he thinks you are aggro.
He could even be turning Kx into a bluff (I know it's somewhat contradictory).
Top of the range and all that.
We have the best hand to call his shove apart from K9
I still expect to see KK K9 most of the time River c/r for bluff is just rare


BTW would you guys rather have 33 or A9. Both are bluffcatchers. Maybe he could be c/r A9 for value but I doubt it. A9 blocks K9 and 33 obviously blocks 33 But I would expect him to bet 33 anyway rather than c/r.
Naah I still prefer 33 :=)
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02-25-2014 , 09:53 PM
With those stats I bet he is Russian

his value range that beats us is tiny and he could have worse 9s or even AA as well so I am definitely calling
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02-25-2014 , 10:04 PM
KK ldo
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02-26-2014 , 03:02 AM
I called and he showed QsTs for a whiffed (BD)FD and gutter

He risked €32 to win 19€ (17€ after rake) - what do we think of his play? Is it OK or is it spew?

I'm sure he had stats on me - I am 24/19/7.4
fold to flop cbet 43%, raise cbet 19%
fold to turn cbet 32%, raise cbet 19%

How strong/weak is my range when I stab the river and how often do you think this shove will work?

I think the main problem with this bluff is that he blocks a big area of my bluffing range - flush draws.
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02-26-2014 , 03:09 AM
he does block 9T Q9, personally i like it, probably can't fold top rangers, still a sick spot with A9, i'd say vs avarage reg at 25nl we are beat around 75% to 80%
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02-26-2014 , 03:49 AM
I had enough hands on him to think he could make this play with air. Pretty aggro stats.

And I was being played around the whole session by people making better hands than me or outplaying me, so it was kind of a "**** you all" call and ragequit session if wrong.
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02-26-2014 , 04:47 AM
Absolute trainwreck by villain considering his own hand and image.
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02-26-2014 , 05:12 AM
Nirwanda says trainwreck, Marim kinda likes the play by villain.

I think this is an interesting spot that could come up more, where I am villain and want to consider CRAI river as a bluff. Would that ever be a good line at NL25 or is everybody just clicking call waaaayyyy too much to ever consider it?
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02-26-2014 , 06:31 AM
well, personally i woudn't do this because of my image, but if you're a tag with a clean image, sometimes you can click allin and people will generally fold in this spots
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02-26-2014 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
well, personally i woudn't do this because of my image, but if you're a tag with a clean image, sometimes you can click allin and people will generally fold in this spots
Do you think, that with aggressive image you can XR a hand like T9 in this spot?
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02-26-2014 , 06:47 AM
Why not raise turn?
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02-26-2014 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by n86xps
Why not raise turn?
He is aggro, so no reason to discourage him imo
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02-26-2014 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
He is aggro, so no reason to discourage him imo
Yeah, but so many draws in his range. Isn't it better to charge them now? Maybe even get it in, vs some weakish draw, that assumed he had fold equity and pushed over the top?
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02-26-2014 , 07:38 AM
shoving turn is aids
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02-26-2014 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by n86xps
Do you think, that with aggressive image you can XR a hand like T9 in this spot?
no, to thin..
if you x T9 is to xc, x/ship would be turning trips into a bluff
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02-26-2014 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by n86xps
Yeah, but so many draws in his range. Isn't it better to charge them now? Maybe even get it in, vs some weakish draw, that assumed he had fold equity and pushed over the top?
we will earn just as much off his draws by letting him barrel when he bricks since he is so aggro.
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02-26-2014 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
He is aggro, so no reason to discourage him imo
Yeah just let him Vbet himself to bankruptcy.

Reminds me of the only big (semi)bluff i made yesterday...

Had him on just about the right hand, but he didn't care...

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $26.48 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 9)
BTN: $18.71 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 9)
SB: $19.08 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 23.13, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 13.21, Hands: 138)
UTG: $20.82 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (MP): $26.55

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A 3

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, BB raises to $2.98, Hero calls $2.23, BTN calls $2.23

Flop: ($9.04, 3 players) 2 7 6
BB bets $4.52, Hero calls $4.52, fold

Turn: ($18.08, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $19.05 and is all-in, BB calls $17.50 and is all-in

River: ($53.08, 2 players) 9

BB shows A J (One Pair, Twos) (Pre 68%, Flop 52%, Turn 67%)
Hero shows A 3 (One Pair, Twos) (Pre 32%, Flop 48%, Turn 33%)
BB wins $51.08

I was sure he was on 2 bw's and did expect a fold there... but again this situation to me illustrates very clearly why not to bluff a lot at these stakes.
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02-26-2014 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by n86xps
Yeah, but so many draws in his range. Isn't it better to charge them now? Maybe even get it in, vs some weakish draw, that assumed he had fold equity and pushed over the top?
If villain doesn't bluff river with whiffed draws, by all means charge him.
If he bluffs with whiffed draws, his draw is more likely than not to miss, so I give him all the space necessary.

This is a situation that comes up often. You are drawing to a brick for value
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02-26-2014 , 07:49 AM
your play is aids
you got owned
villain is the man
i would call too
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02-26-2014 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
well, personally i woudn't do this because of my image, but if you're a tag with a clean image, sometimes you can click allin and people will generally fold in this spots
That's the thing.

If you're even considering bluffing this awful spot in villains shoes, chances are abmysal that your image actually is clean to begin with so you would still get snapped.
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02-26-2014 , 07:53 AM
I'd jam flop with that
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