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08-05-2010 , 10:38 AM

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LegalizeIt

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 128

I'm really surprised by the amount of bluffs (except KQ going for value) you assign to his range, I was sure that his range was so strictly defined towards sets on the turn that the call was somehow spewy.
River?

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The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $38.81
Hero (SB): $46.46
BB: $25.00
UTG: $26.30
CO: $24.75

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, BB raises to $3.15, Hero calls $2.15

Turn: ($7.80) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

River: ($18.30) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $15.85, Hero?

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08-05-2010 , 10:41 AM

#27

Slomo

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take youre time bank and call..

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08-05-2010 , 10:42 AM

#28

LegalizeIt

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Originally Posted by Slomo

take youre time bank

Reason?

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08-05-2010 , 10:43 AM

#29

FoldHellmuth

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I'm not a very good player but I like this line.

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Originally Posted by sameguttenante

Call. A turn cbet is mandatory for all hands that raised flop, so his range is still super wide.

I think I'd b/f most river cards like 1/3 pot. Worse pairs and worse kings may call.

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08-05-2010 , 10:47 AM

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gateswi

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you can fold this and its not a big deal. yeah you are pretty much folding the very top of your range, but its not likely this guy is value raising a worse hand. we can see if he has a propensity to bluff raise these kinds of boards, and act accordingly in the future.

if i continued on the flop, i would call, never 3b. if we have equity then its more likely that its against air then draws or worse 1-pair hands that are getting it in. this can be stuff like 66/JTs some of the time, depending on villain.

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08-05-2010 , 11:06 AM

#31

GodSmackJack

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I've probably c/c to this point. If he shoves, I'm probably folding. In hindsight though I'm probably wondering if he's trying to bluff me off the pot OR we're both holding the same thing. I suspect that's probably what happened to you.

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08-05-2010 , 11:09 AM

#32

Slomo

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Originally Posted by LegalizeIt

Reason?

We are bluff catching so let him think his bluff was almost ok..

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08-05-2010 , 11:10 AM

#33

Slomo

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Originally Posted by gateswi

So actually we are only calling wth 44?

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08-05-2010 , 11:45 AM

#34

NimhOfJoy

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So many nits, so little time.

Call flop, c/c turn, c/c river, it's BvB, what's the problem?

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08-05-2010 , 11:49 AM

#35

nyrvana

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meh, i would feel really uncomfortable facing so much action

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08-05-2010 , 11:52 AM

#36

fl1p

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i fold riv. without history i dont think hes 3barrellbluffing and he is not vbetting worse either.

but def check wether hes from italy or sth before u make your decision.

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08-05-2010 , 12:16 PM

#37

Masblas

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sb vs bb you will get raised by all kinds of garbage on that flop and he is going to bet almost any turn once you just call. The river is an uncomfortable call so I could go either way with it. The J is really not a good card though since KJ got there so you are really only getting value from KQ and maybe KT if he thinks he is value betting with 1 pair.

In general I think 2+2 is way too loose when it comes to calling big bets and shoving but this is a case where I think it is the right play.

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08-05-2010 , 12:47 PM

#38

thr33bet

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Call down, villain reps complete bs as K4 or K2 are not in his range. 2 combos of sets are possible, but most villains raise later streets with a set on this type of dry board. I call down blank rivers and c/shove A/K rivers.

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08-05-2010 , 02:55 PM

#39

LegalizeIt

centurion

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Actually I folded, I don't expect worse K to take so aggressive lines very often, villain was playing reasonably, nothing fancy so I discount an idea of 3barrel bluffing this hand all of a sudden.

At a mental level I much prefer feeling that I might have been moved of the best hand by a strong 3 streets bluff rather than finding myself getting stacked to a set that was screaming he's a set all the way to the showdown. I play way closer to my A-game than.
Do you ever take it into consideration?

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08-05-2010 , 03:23 PM

#40

Lemay002

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Originally Posted by fl1p

after his flop raise sth like that i guess:
95% BS
4% sets
1% Kx

+3% draws.

But yea, this is a really good board for him to be raise bluffing ip in bvb

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08-05-2010 , 04:35 PM

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gateswi

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Originally Posted by Slomo

So actually we are only calling wth 44?

no i play 22 like the nuts. i know the whole argument of bottom set = AA and AA= AK on this kind of board in this kind of situation, but that doesn't take into account card removal.

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