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02-20-2009 , 01:59 AM

Gravy

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hadn't been involved in any major scuffles with villain to this point.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($39.45)
BB ($5)
Hero (UTG) ($37.75)
MP ($27.40)
Button ($27.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, J

Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) Q

, 10

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $6.25, Hero folds

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02-20-2009 , 02:04 AM

EeeTeeKid

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Yeah, super standard.

Opening KJ from UTG is fine I guess, just be confident in post flop play

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02-20-2009 , 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EeeTeeKid

Opening KJ from UTG is fine I guess, just be confident in post flop play

6-handed it would be a fold

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02-20-2009 , 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravy

6-handed it would be a fold

I agree, never ever change your UTG opening range, no matter the dynamic of the table or the players on it, make a range and stick to it.

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02-20-2009 , 02:21 AM

NetBoom

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This might be a big leak for me. Can you guys explain why you arnt taking one off here?
I would usualy say to myself implied odds and call. and then see what/if he bets the turn.

Net.

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02-20-2009 , 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBoom

This might be a big leak for me. Can you guys explain why you arnt taking one off here?
I would usualy say to myself implied odds and call. and then see what/if he bets the turn.

Net.

Yeah me too. I would be more inclined too peel one off if it QT5 or something as a 9 is going to make it hard to get paid on this board with 4 to a straight. Also the A might slow him down as well. Although then again if he has QJ and the 9 comes it could be good.

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02-20-2009 , 02:52 AM

Navie

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yes fold is correct here

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02-20-2009 , 02:54 AM

NetBoom

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Navie, More detail please?

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02-20-2009 , 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Moshiach

I agree, never ever change your UTG opening range, no matter the dynamic of the table or the players on it, make a range and stick to it.

this is wrong actually. we should be constantly changing our ranges based on table dynamics. KJ UTG could be a raise if MP CO and BTN are tight but blinds are loose. 89s UTG could be a raise if the whole table is generally tight. it all depends what you want to accomplish and the odds of it working out in your favor more than half the time. as far as the hand in question goes a fold is fine since implied odds go way down with a board like this.

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02-20-2009 , 03:09 AM

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NetBoom

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Right so your basicly saying, if a straight card or a heart comes off we might not get paid off and our implied odds are up the duff?

Makes sense now

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02-20-2009 , 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by slush420

lol

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02-20-2009 , 10:17 AM

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I would check this flop....try float it....

He is prolly gunna bet out about $2-$3....i would call that and go from there...
If you hit you will get paid....most of the time anyway...

I wouldnt do this everytime....maybe 1 out of 4.

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02-20-2009 , 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by slush420

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Originally Posted by Moshiach

lol

who are you?

also, care to explain why slush's post is lol-worthy, as opposed to, say, your first post in this thread?

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02-20-2009 , 10:43 AM

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I don`t like to check/ call in that spot.. it`s hard to float OOP i guess, so cbet I cbet as the PFA and fold to a big raise like that..

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02-20-2009 , 11:33 AM

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I'd say he's pretty much got a set/2pair or some sort of bluff/semi bluff as opposed to a paired made hand so I'd peel here and c/f any blank (i think he's checking a lot of his semi bluffing range behind at 25nl).

As for raising kjo utg, personally I'd fold it.

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02-20-2009 , 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaz

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02-20-2009 , 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaz

so we're getting 10.60/4.25 on our call, or 2.49:1. odds of making our straight on the next card are 4.88:1 against. the cards that make our straight are both potential scare cards (the A as on over and the 9 making four to a straight), and two of our eight outs are hearts; both of these factors cut down on our implied odds significantly imo.

as far as preflop is concerned, we're 5-handed. would you fold or open KJo from MP at a full table? honest question.

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02-20-2009 , 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravy

I would mostly fold KJo at a full table from MP...

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02-20-2009 , 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshiach

lol

hes right

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02-20-2009 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshiach

I agree, never ever change your UTG opening range, no matter the dynamic of the table or the players on it, make a range and stick to it.

...???

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02-20-2009 , 05:27 PM

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i would probably peel if there wasn't a flush draw on board, because a 9 would be so super awesome.

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02-20-2009 , 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshiach

I agree, never ever change your UTG opening range, no matter the dynamic of the table or the players on it, make a range and stick to it.

Is this a level? Or does this guy seriously open the same on a table full of lags as a table full of tags??

On the whole, I won't generally open KJo from MP (maybe I'm a nit), but I will open KJs from MP and KQo from UTG

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02-20-2009 , 05:30 PM

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qazikm2000

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I would also be way more inclined to call if we were in position, the flop was rainbow, and he had raised to like 5.50 instead of 6.25

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02-20-2009 , 05:31 PM

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white_mike

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I'm pretty sure most of you guys missed the sarcasm is Moshiach's first post which is why he lol'd at the serious response to it...

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02-20-2009 , 05:34 PM

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qazikm2000

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yes it was a level, I am on the ball today lol.

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