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NL25 - rivered full house facing reraise - call or value shove? NL25 - rivered full house facing reraise - call or value shove?

07-17-2009 , 10:48 AM
Villain is a 14/8 reg over 700 hands.

Can I shove this river for value? There are a lot of hands in his range at this point that I'm crushing but if I shove does that reduce his calling range to mostly the hands that beat me?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $28.90
BB: $16.45
UTG: $7.20
Hero (UTG+1): $25.00
UTG+2: $32.20
MP1: $25.95
MP2: $26.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $24.40

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, UTG+2 calls $0.75, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.10) K Q J (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.10) J (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.10) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.60, UTG+2 folds, BTN raises to $7, BB folds, Hero ?
NL25 - rivered full house facing reraise - call or value shove? Quote
07-17-2009 , 11:10 AM
Don't fold.

I'd raise to $14 for value.
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07-17-2009 , 11:23 AM
Call, and i'm not really pumped about it

Unless we know villain loves to make hero calls i can't see him calling with a flush or 10 to a shove.
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07-17-2009 , 12:02 PM
Villian will never call with a straight here to a 3-bet shove and i doubt with a mid-range flush.

I'd just call.
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07-17-2009 , 12:09 PM
i don't get it. all these people that think villain has better houses, look at the line that he took. as the button (so he wasn't trying to c/r us on the turn) he checked behind the flop and the turn. i mean if he has a set shouldn't he be charging all the 10s and the two pairs and flush draws and whatever, and then we are saying he boats up on the turn and still checks behind everyone on the most connected board of all time, with the absolute nuts?

c'mon i think the guy has a 10 here every single time, if he doesn't then you can just lol at him.
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07-17-2009 , 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPockets
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $28.90
BB: $16.45
UTG: $7.20
Hero (UTG+1): $25.00
UTG+2: $32.20
MP1: $25.95
MP2: $26.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $24.40

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, UTG+2 calls $0.75, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.10) K Q J (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.10) J (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.10) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.60, UTG+2 folds, BTN raises to $7, BB folds, Hero ?
His line makes no sense for hands that beat you. I'd probably minraise/call this with the 3 flush and 4 to a straight out. I think he has Tx an overwhelmingly large majority of the time with this line and he'll probably call a minraise thinking "chop, idiot."

If he's bad enough to check back 2 streets with 2pair/set turned fullhouse multiway on this board he's probably bad enough to pay off with a slowplayed flush and Tx too.
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07-17-2009 , 12:29 PM
Villian has a Ten here just about always. Repop his ass.
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07-17-2009 , 03:46 PM
I bring the pain on the river to my friend with a ten.
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07-19-2009 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JH1
His line makes no sense for hands that beat you. I'd probably minraise/call this with the 3 flush and 4 to a straight out. I think he has Tx an overwhelmingly large majority of the time with this line and he'll probably call a minraise thinking "chop, idiot."

If he's bad enough to check back 2 streets with 2pair/set turned fullhouse multiway on this board he's probably bad enough to pay off with a slowplayed flush and Tx too.
I was thinking about this hand again and what would happen if the roles were reversed - Reciprocality and all that jazz.

Lets reverse the roles: we are villain and we have a T. Opponent(Hero in OP) bets the river, we reraise and he raises again. Are we going to fold there?
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07-19-2009 , 09:34 PM
a 14/8 reg is like never raising this river with a bare Ten
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07-19-2009 , 11:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzard
a 14/8 reg is like never raising this river with a bare Ten
This, or at best a 14/8 is raise/folding a bare ten. I like just calling here.
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07-19-2009 , 11:47 PM
i like just calling
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