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10-14-2008 , 12:27 PM
Party Poker $25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BTN): $25.50
SB: $47.66
BB: $32.53
UTG: $22.88
CO: $25.20

Pre Flop: ($0.00) Hero is BTN with 4 4
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.00) A Q K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.68, UTG calls $1.68

Turn: ($6.36) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.36) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $19.70 all in, Hero ?
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10-14-2008 , 12:28 PM
call and puke, str8 and flush are both possible, trips less likely but meh, at least be happy he wasnt full stacked
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10-14-2008 , 12:39 PM
snap call imo.
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10-14-2008 , 03:40 PM
yup
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10-14-2008 , 03:44 PM
xx
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10-14-2008 , 04:54 PM
I don't think villain has a flush (especially since the AdKd are on the board) or a straight. In fact, I don't think he does this with anything but AK, AQ, but I'm sure I'd not be able to lay this down and I would call.
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10-14-2008 , 04:55 PM
Snap call river.



What the hell are you doing preflop? Fold 44 to a $1.50 raise.
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10-15-2008 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rleidle



What the hell are you doing preflop? Fold 44 to a $1.50 raise.
I have position and I have odds to setmine..?
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10-15-2008 , 05:19 AM
Oh man. This is rough. Can't name any other hand that villain would play like this. This is the type of hand I'd snap call MT'ing but would find a fold later.

On second thought, call. I dunno if two pair (AQ) or a set woulda just check called the flop. I wouldthink they would c/r. Hmm... rough spot
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10-15-2008 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
call and puke, str8 and flush are both possible, trips less likely but meh, at least be happy he wasnt full stacked
I think I would call and be happy TBH.
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10-15-2008 , 11:03 AM
We have to be right 44% of the time to justify the call, I say this is a full house at least 60% of the time. Fold, we only put $3.00 in to the pot, no reason to put another $19.70 unless we know villain would do this with Ax/straights/all flush draws 100% of the time

Board: Ad Qh Kd As 4d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.333% 63.33% 00.00% 57 0.00 { QQ+, AJs+, QdJd, JdTd, AJo+, AcTd }
Hand 1: 36.667% 36.67% 00.00% 33 0.00 { 44 }
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10-15-2008 , 11:14 AM
I fold this all day long. If the opponet makes bluffs like this I wait until I have a little stronger hand to call.
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10-15-2008 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Stark
We have to be right 44% of the time to justify the call, I say this is a full house at least 60% of the time. Fold, we only put $3.00 in to the pot, no reason to put another $19.70 unless we know villain would do this with Ax/straights/all flush draws 100% of the time

Board: Ad Qh Kd As 4d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.333% 63.33% 00.00% 57 0.00 { QQ+, AJs+, QdJd, JdTd, AJo+, AcTd }
Hand 1: 36.667% 36.67% 00.00% 33 0.00 { 44 }
This is either a FH or a bluff imo.
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10-15-2008 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The flying-donkey
I think I would call and be happy TBH.
yeh but this hand also wouldnt be posted if he won
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10-15-2008 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mcpst17
This is either a FH or a bluff imo.
Whats with the polarisation, for all those saying we need a better hand like what aces full. Why can't this be a flush from a loose player why can't this be AJ.
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10-15-2008 , 11:37 AM
how has no one said check flop?


I really think you get shown aces full/QQ KK a ton here guy raised UTG and there arent alot of flushes in his range given the board. meh...... I hate folding a FH too so maybe call here but you really shoudnt have gotten into this spot to begin with.

5x raise is really boarderline for calling just to set mine here esp since you seem to bet taking your small PP to far.

edit realized hero bet flop didnt float still really think you should be checking this flop
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10-15-2008 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
yeh but this hand also wouldnt be posted if he won
yea I distinctly get that feeling. I was just saying that I would call and feel ok about it, sometimes were beat sometimes were not. I refuse to believe that these ridiculous overbets are always Nuts/air situations, its not been the case in my experience.
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10-15-2008 , 12:32 PM
why are you betting the flop? everything you fold out, you are beating anyways, i don't any pair is going to call.
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10-15-2008 , 12:53 PM
I disagree. I don't think the flop bet is bad. This is the worst flop possible for a holding like TT. Even the worst calling stations fold smaller pp's on this flop. we can fold out 55 to JJ.

For a standard tag, the most likely UTG range would be AJo+,22+; which is roughly 10.5% of his whole range, out of which only AJo+, QQ+ will continue on this flop. so our bet actually folds out 45% of the standard UTG range, which is good enough for a stab. In addition, we actually narrow his range, and given the flop call, we can define his hand to be either a bigger full house than us, or AJ turned trips which is the only hand we beat.

therefore, because we narrowed his range on the flop, i think river is a definite fold. Unless he's a complete idiot, he has a bluff here like never.
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10-15-2008 , 04:36 PM
uhhh... am i taking cray pills?

the guy raised 6x BB UTG.... board comes AAQK4 and we think we might be good when he overbet-shoves river...?
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10-15-2008 , 04:38 PM
pretty sure we're not good

i dont mind dat flop bet btw
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10-16-2008 , 05:14 AM
thanks everyone, I agree that folding is standard BUT this time I decided to call. Thinking process:

This dude had been quite loose (only about 50 hands with him though),
If he had AK/AQ/straight (maybe sets too) he would have def 3bet my flop bet. When the A turns and he checks, i'm guessing he is going for a check raise with Ax or gives up / tries to draw.

I didn't believe he had FH / quads with this line.
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10-16-2008 , 05:38 AM
When people make a 5x raise preflop I put them on AQ+ QQ+ (more weighted toward AQ+) and not JT or QJs or whatever. This is a boat imo, not a straight or a flush. I fold without puking even.

Don't bet the flop, it smacked his range so hard that it's very likely he's slowplaying (5x = bad player = probably loves slowplaying). I also fold preflop because 5x is just too much to setmine with his range being mainly AQ and AK. You have to flop a set AND he has to hit TPTK at the same time to stack him, greatly reducing on your implied odds.
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10-16-2008 , 06:01 AM
Call man and feel good about it, little advice though, c-bet larger toward more of a full pot size. I think your good here too often for calling to be a losing play, you'll be surprised how often he shows you a flush or a hand like A8.
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10-16-2008 , 06:03 AM
Are the results posted btw? Cant see them...
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