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09-30-2009 , 11:13 AM
Okay villian is pretty spewy 42/9 only over 50 hands, he has been playing a lot of hands, just wondering if you think he is FOS or not? I think it could be a pretty strong line he has taken just not sure...



Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $27.49
SB: $21.72
BB: $25.00
UTG: $15.91
Hero (MP): $45.53
CO: $29.71

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 8 8
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) 5 9 5 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.75) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds

River: ($5.25) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $5.25, Hero folds

Also to note, few hands before i called villians bluff with AQ high, was wondering if you would factor this into your decision.


Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $25.00
UTG: $21.97
MP: $25.00
CO: $18.16
Hero (BTN): $45.67
SB: $29.81

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A Q
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, CO calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) 6 3 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.85) J (2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.85) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Forget to show results in this, villian showed 75hh
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09-30-2009 , 11:14 AM
Where's the bluff in that hand exactly?

im 3betting a utg raise a ton and then betting flop and turn and river
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09-30-2009 , 11:17 AM
bet the flop. as played villain's line certainly seems bluffy so looking him up a spewie player here would be ok.
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09-30-2009 , 11:19 AM
Why would you 3bet an utg raiser ?
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09-30-2009 , 11:23 AM
Hand1: Bet the flop b/f the turn or fold if villains lead. Calling the turn bet is fine but id think you were beat by the river.

Hand2: Super standard, but horrible by you why are we not cbetting that flop?
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09-30-2009 , 11:26 AM
Hand 2 wasnt up for anybody to comment on, i actually won more money by allowing him to bluff
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09-30-2009 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GTurner
Hand 2 wasnt up for anybody to comment on, i actually won more money by allowing him to bluff
So you're saying you were slowplaying A high. Doesnt sound that solid.
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09-30-2009 , 11:29 AM
I wasn't slowplaying it, you don't have to c-bet every single flop. I was simply explaining how a turnbet from this particular villian has been a bluff in the past.
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09-30-2009 , 11:31 AM
Well you were because you thought you had the best hand and checked to induce bluffs because you wanted value from your ace high. This sort of stuff is poor at the micros and you should be cbetting that flop 100% of the time.
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09-30-2009 , 11:41 AM
stop squabbling girls
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09-30-2009 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GTurner
Why would you 3bet an utg raiser ?
because unless you're a nit he can call with worse
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09-30-2009 , 11:46 AM
plus they will setmine with 22-88 regardless of what odds their getting
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09-30-2009 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GTurner
I wasn't slowplaying it, you don't have to c-bet every single flop. I was simply explaining how a turnbet from this particular villian has been a bluff in the past.
Also you're right that you don't need to cbet every flop; but this is the type of flop you should be betting if you like making money
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09-30-2009 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
Well you were because you thought you had the best hand and checked to induce bluffs because you wanted value from your ace high. This sort of stuff is poor at the micros and you should be cbetting that flop 100% of the time.
Cbetting should mostly be player dependent. Sometimes you would cbet that flop but usually because you think villain will fold not because you have nothing.
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09-30-2009 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zero1
Why?
Because his stats are vile and he will pay us off with worse holdings. It's called value betting.
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09-30-2009 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zero1
Cbetting should mostly be player dependent. Sometimes you would cbet that flop but usually because you think villain will fold not because you have nothing.
Lol. Im cbetting that flop every time. This guys limp calling pre and is folding 90% of the time in this spot. /discussion.
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09-30-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
Because his stats are vile and he will pay us off with worse holdings. It's called value betting.
Value betting with 88? He can call with worse but how bad does his hand need to be for you to be a legitimate favorite?
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09-30-2009 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
Lol. Im cbetting that flop every time. This guys limp calling pre and is folding 90% of the time in this spot. /discussion.
I would probably cbet too with the overs and bdfd but if he never folds to a cbet then why bet?
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09-30-2009 , 12:42 PM
I bet flop in hand 1 for protection & value against this villain.

Honestly, as played I'm not sure how often we're good on river, close decision but I'd be inclined to look him up if you're right about how spewy he is.

Hand 2 I cbet when checked to 100% of the time all of the time

'Buck
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09-30-2009 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zero1
I would probably cbet too with the overs and bdfd but if he never folds to a cbet then why bet?
Value, you're still ahead of his range imo.
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09-30-2009 , 01:39 PM
Yes it's correct to 3-bet this guy preflop here to isolate him and take the initiative in the hand. I hate setmining against guys with wide ranges you don't hit your set most of the time and when you do you don't get paid off. Instead we should be raising here to isolate him and then since we have the initiative we can use our aggression to take away pots postflop.

BTW this is a perfect flop to c-bet.
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09-30-2009 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GTurner
Why would you 3bet an utg raiser ?
Why not?
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