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NL25 QQ facing shove overbet in 3bet pot NL25 QQ facing shove overbet in 3bet pot

04-08-2011 , 07:35 PM
villain is 14/12/4 with 4.7% 3bet (MP 3b 5%) 1.9k hands

villain see me 12/10/4 with high fold to 3b (70-80)

i decided to fold because i put him on AA/KK/AK and some stupid draws with garbage like pair+FD or straightdraw+flushdraw and Ax

do you agree and it is clear fold?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1268814
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SB: $25.10
BB: $31.44
Hero (UTG): $30.33
UTG+1: $8.95
MP: $25.00
CO: $9.65
BTN: $25.75

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP raises to $2.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.85) 2 5 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22.25 all in, Hero folds
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04-08-2011 , 08:07 PM
he's 3betting your utg raise and he sees u as 12/10...does that answer your question?
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04-08-2011 , 08:21 PM
I think the fold is okay. Given the size of Villain's overbet, you need a lot of equity (about 44% if my math is correct) to break even on a call. The range you're putting Villain on might be a little narrow. Based on the preflop 3bet and the flop shove, I would put him on 99+, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ. But I ran pokerstove on that and you still only have about 41% equity against that range.

I'm curious, though. When you called his raise pre-flop, what was your plan for the flop? That's actually a pretty good flop for your hand. You have an overpair and a backdoor flush draw and Villain is tight so he's unlikely to have hit that flop hard. What kind of flop were you hoping to hit and what was your plan?
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04-08-2011 , 09:52 PM
idog519: so you think villain with 5% 3bet from MP going to 3bet tight UTG player only with AA when he knows UTG going to fold a lot? (i would put him on AK/KK+ if his 3bet% is 1-2% from MP, not 5%)

Pedantic Fish: i would call some normal bet and reevalute on turn depends on turn card and his betsizing, i dont think this guy is going to 3bet TT-QQ as he can play it pretty good postflop IP, i put him preflop on some garbage hands Axs, SC and value hands AA/KK/AK and i think he would rather setmining with low pps then 3betting there as my UTG pfr is very tight
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04-08-2011 , 11:15 PM
if he was bluffing he would of c/f postflop.. you fold enough to make it profitable if he was bluffing, now the fact he is in mp with plenty of people left to act which could let his play unprofitable= him having a hand he is never folding meaning AA/KK/aks/qq & queens should be a fold there preflop

if you were mp & he was btn this would of been abit diff & i wouldn't hate a flat and call off postflop but yea..
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04-09-2011 , 12:14 AM
Exothermic: 5% 3b from MP is QQ+ only? i dont agree :/
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04-09-2011 , 12:16 AM
This is a nublet that has AK and 77-JJ and doesnt know what to do so he shoves. Why on earth would he jam aces kings or a set here to make you fold exactly what you have?.... Doesnt compute!

Now next time u tarrp and call him. 5% 3bet from MP is like AQs+ TT+
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04-09-2011 , 04:33 AM
Line doesn't make sense and you have the Qd to limit flush draws.

You have 1.9k hands. You should know by now if he is capable of jamming here with something funky. Line looks a lot like a set that doesn't want anyone seeing another card on that board. I think folding is ok but I don't have the history knowledge you do.
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04-09-2011 , 04:37 AM
easy fold; he is 3 betting a 12/10 from UTG, you played it fine
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04-09-2011 , 11:23 AM
brutti: i dont think that reg is going to be crazy with 77-JJ there, i dont think he is going to 3bet me with these hands too, he cant do it for value and it is just stupid to bluff with these hands

K40cheddar: never seen him do this stuff, never played against him in 3b pot OOP

Pay4Myschool: and what do you think is his 3b range from MP against me?
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