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nl25 ,nutFD vs 2 villains ? nl25 ,nutFD vs 2 villains ?

01-30-2011 , 05:59 AM
BT 45/0 af 4 ,his first 3bet PF ,40 hands
BB reg 16/13 af 2,8 500hands

Seems standard ,BB calls there with very strong range ,BT could be playing his any pair that way but now hero ,we draw to the nuts facing really big bet to call ,but we cant really call half our stack and then fold on the turn ? so we should shove ?
pot odds 2,8/1
we have I think 30% eq. here so we have the odds to call??? but the pot/stack ratio ???
easiest to fold here because we are drawing and have so little invested ?


PokerStars - €0.25 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €25.00
UTG: €32.90
UTG+1: €11.27
MP: €25.00
Hero (CO): €28.39
BTN: €11.43
SB: €25.00

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.25

Pre Flop: (€0.35) Hero has 4 A

UTG raises to €0.50, fold, fold, Hero calls €0.50, BTN raises to €0.75, fold, BB calls €0.50, UTG calls €0.25, Hero calls €0.25

Flop: (€3.10, 4 players) 7 Q K
BB checks, UTG bets €1.25, Hero calls €1.25, BTN raises to €10.68 and is all-in, BB calls €10.68, fold,Hero ???
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01-30-2011 , 06:02 AM
i would fold because we dont have the odds to call cause we miss more often than not
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01-30-2011 , 06:06 AM
Raise preflop to iso UTG.
As played, stick it in and embrass variance.
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01-30-2011 , 06:16 AM
I stoved it like

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,470,608 games 0.075 secs 32,941,440 games/sec

Board: Kc Qh 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.773% 31.47% 00.31% 777430 7563.17 { Ac4c }
Hand 1: 47.703% 46.44% 01.26% 1147372 31182.67 { QQ+, 77, AKs, KQs, K7s, JTs, AKo, KQo }
Hand 2: 20.524% 19.17% 01.36% 473575 33485.17 { QQ+, 77, AJs+, KJs+, K7s, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qh8h, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JTs, Jc9c, Tc9c, Tc8c, 9c8c, AJo+, KJo+, JTo }

with hand 2 representing button's ******ed range, and hand 1 repping the reg(i could probably add more hands to button's range, but this seems reasonable enough). so even if bb never folds(I doubt he is given his line), we have equity enough to call.

However, your pot odds are incorrect if you factor in the fact that there is still money behind with the BB, and that he is committing himself with calling the button ship. This may mean a fold at this point, considering we have little invested in the hand, and the button's range could be much tighter than what I outlined.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiesto27
i would fold because we dont have the odds to call cause we miss more often than not
This is not correct thinking, we have to put it in if it's +ev, not if we have more than 50% equity.

And yes, embrace your varience.

Last edited by Jolly2702; 01-30-2011 at 06:22 AM.
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01-30-2011 , 06:42 AM
how is it +ev if we lose more often than not?
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01-30-2011 , 06:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly2702
I stoved it like

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,470,608 games 0.075 secs 32,941,440 games/sec

Board: Kc Qh 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.773% 31.47% 00.31% 777430 7563.17 { Ac4c }
Hand 1: 47.703% 46.44% 01.26% 1147372 31182.67 { QQ+, 77, AKs, KQs, K7s, JTs, AKo, KQo }
Hand 2: 20.524% 19.17% 01.36% 473575 33485.17 { QQ+, 77, AJs+, KJs+, K7s, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qh8h, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JTs, Jc9c, Tc9c, Tc8c, 9c8c, AJo+, KJo+, JTo }

with hand 2 representing button's ******ed range, and hand 1 repping the reg(i could probably add more hands to button's range, but this seems reasonable enough). so even if bb never folds(I doubt he is given his line), we have equity enough to call.

However, your pot odds are incorrect if you factor in the fact that there is still money behind with the BB, and that he is committing himself with calling the button ship. This may mean a fold at this point, considering we have little invested in the hand, and the button's range could be much tighter than what I outlined.



This is not correct thinking, we have to put it in if it's +ev, not if we have more than 50% equity.

And yes, embrace your varience.
I see my mistake in my offered pot odds.
So we have to treat BB call as all in and that makes pot 40 and 23 for us to call giving odds 1,75/1 ?
and our 31% equity vs 2 villains 69% gives us 2,2/1 needed ?
if the above math is correct then it is a fold ?
can someone look over the above math ,not my strongest part of poker but trying to improve.
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