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11-17-2012 , 12:29 PM

BlackStar9

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Villain is 50/8 over 74 hands. He limpcalled UTG, which I interpret as standard fish play. I would be alarmed if he would have limp-raised.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $46.99 (188 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.06 (100.2 bb)
BB: $10.80 (43.2 bb)
UTG: $27.38 (109.5 bb)
MP: $34.52 (138.1 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($2.75) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.25) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.25 Hero ?????

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11-17-2012 , 12:33 PM

SemperPhi

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Bet $3.75 OTT for value. As played call.

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11-17-2012 , 12:35 PM

BlackStar9

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The river came Jc...

Then what?

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11-17-2012 , 12:52 PM

SemperPhi

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So if we bet $3.75 OTT then the pot size OTR is $13.75. I would b/f and bet $7.

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11-17-2012 , 01:06 PM

dalonelybaptist

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b/f turn $4ish and b/f all rivers

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11-17-2012 , 01:10 PM

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i don't understand why you've hit a piece and then shut down? you're betting with nothing at all on the flop except 2 overs and a back door on a paired board, and then check when you catch something?! if you think he has an 8 then you're in horrendous shape so should fold. you obv can't put him on an 8 purely so your line has to be bet/fold

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11-17-2012 , 01:21 PM

VantACoo-key?

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Originally Posted by dalonelybaptist

b/f turn $4ish and b/f all rivers

^This. He can kind of own us now because you've probably got to x/c twice, even on that river, unless he like pots it, and he can have QJ, 8x etc and we're guessing/hoping we're good rather than pretty much knowing exactly where we are by betting turn and river.

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11-17-2012 , 02:09 PM

BlackStar9

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Originally Posted by llllllll

i don't understand why you've hit a piece and then shut down? you're betting with nothing at all on the flop except 2 overs and a back door on a paired board, and then check when you catch something?! if you think he has an 8 then you're in horrendous shape so should fold. you obv can't put him on an 8 purely so your line has to be bet/fold

wat?

A cbet there is standard.

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11-17-2012 , 02:15 PM

bbrrookie

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Originally Posted by BlackStar9

wat?

A cbet there is standard.

The point he's making is that you bet the flop with nothing and then when you finally made the hand you wanted you checked and shut down instead if value betting the turn

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11-17-2012 , 02:26 PM

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BlackStar9

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Originally Posted by bbrrookie

The point he's making is that you bet the flop with nothing and then when you finally made the hand you wanted you checked and shut down instead if value betting the turn

For all either of you know I could have been c/r the turn.

Incidentally, I posted this hand because I wanted people's opinions on villain's range on those two streets. I shoulda made that clearer at the beginning.

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11-17-2012 , 02:30 PM

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playtowinalways

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ch/r turn is bad unless you know 100% he calls worse.

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11-17-2012 , 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackStar9

wat?

A cbet there is standard.

yeah i think you missed my point

raise --> cbet --> hit card and shut down incase we get reraised?

just sounds pretty weak and very exploitable

also the word standard is pointless because it gets chucked around by everyone

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