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01-30-2014 , 09:12 AM

3nat3

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 13

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23029261

UTG: $27.31 (109.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $30.64 (122.6 bb)
CO: $40.22 (160.9 bb)
BTN: $96.13 (384.5 bb)
SB: $19.22 (76.9 bb)
BB: $20 (80 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3) 8

(4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $3.25, BTN calls $3.25, 2 folds

Turn: ($10) 4

(2 players)
Hero ?

Villain is 20/16 with 36.6% postflop aggression over 200 hands. Played a flush draw passively earlier so I'm inclined to think this is a check/fold spot but that seems a little weak. I do have the king of

though.. Oh 67 gets there as well

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01-30-2014 , 09:16 AM

MartimC

Carpal \'Tunnel

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meh x/c

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01-30-2014 , 09:49 AM

VictorJustin

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 176

maybe think about all the hands you beat in their range rather than just the one or two hands that beat you

I used pokerstove to see what range of hands I think they would call with, the nfd As2s-AsJs, the sets 22,55,88 and the overpairs 99-JJ as well as the one suited connector 7s6s

against that range you're 60% favorite

so I would also check and call

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01-30-2014 , 11:04 AM

Adzman

adept

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,153

Check call turn and probably folding most rivers unimproved. we have equity against flushes and if he checks behind we have a pretty easy value bet OTR.

Going back to rivers, obviously calling all spade rivers, king rivers are also a call and think all other rivers are folds.

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01-30-2014 , 11:21 AM

tolis

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,465

Flushes are in his range but they are in yours as well. Not sure if this is my default but I would strongly consider throwing in another bet and fold if he comes over the top.

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01-30-2014 , 11:28 AM

cheltNAM

veteran

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Def x/c not bet folding this turn at all.

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01-30-2014 , 11:32 AM

NTS

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 467

Check\decide, no need to bet since you wont get any more value from hands worse

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01-30-2014 , 11:57 AM

tolis

old hand

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Originally Posted by cheltNAM

Def x/c not bet folding this turn at all.

If we r behind we got few outs and these are unclear too. I rather maintain the momentum and define the hand ott rather than be put to the test otr. If he has the b@lls to bluff raise good for him.

This is just me tho, once most posts insist on x/calling it would be crazy to try and prove u all wrong.

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01-30-2014 , 03:31 PM

3nat3

stranger

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thanks guys x/c does seem to make the most sense.

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01-30-2014 , 06:28 PM

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VictorJustin

centurion

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Originally Posted by NTS

Check\decide, no need to bet since you wont get any more value from hands worse

what about JJ, TT or 99

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01-30-2014 , 07:53 PM

#11

Adzman

adept

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Originally Posted by VictorJustin

what about JJ, TT or 99

You aren't getting 3 streets from them and they will probably bet turn check river or check turn call river so you lose no value from them and iso yourself against their value range

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01-30-2014 , 08:02 PM

#12

ronrabbit

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,662

I like betting here again tbh, especially as we have the kspades.

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01-30-2014 , 08:03 PM

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cardbrute

old hand

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Originally Posted by tolis

If we r behind we got few outs and these are unclear too. I rather maintain the momentum and define the hand ott rather than be put to the test otr. If he has the b@lls to bluff raise good for him.

This is just me tho, once most posts insist on x/calling it would be crazy to try and prove u all wrong.

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the hand is already defined, you reraised and both villains called on a flop that fits their ranges. One of the nut worst cards come for your range vs theirs and you want to keep betting.

Talk to me more about momentum when you get raised. now what?

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01-30-2014 , 08:10 PM

#14

KereDn

journeyman

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x/c, b/f same difference.

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01-30-2014 , 08:19 PM

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cardbrute

old hand

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Originally Posted by KereDn

x/c, b/f same difference.

not really, they are two rather drastically different outcomes.

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01-30-2014 , 08:26 PM

#16

333totti333

adept

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If we x/c turn, what's the plan otr?

Genuine question.

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01-30-2014 , 09:59 PM

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ronrabbit

old hand

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Originally Posted by sifiasco

If we x/c turn, what's the plan otr?

Genuine question.

this is one of the main reasons I like betting. If we are check calling turn, we pretty much have to check call any river, otherwise what's the point in calling on the turn, (unless we are just trying to hit a flush).

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01-30-2014 , 10:11 PM

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Adzman

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Originally Posted by ronrabbit

That logic is terribad, he's not betting 100%of his range OTR and we certainly do not have to call any river.

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01-30-2014 , 10:14 PM

#19

siziono

adept

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If we bet and got called here what river do we shove if we ever shove at all ? what exactly is the point of betting beside keeping the momentum ? probably fold out some ace high and some equity hand but I think playing our equity in this spot is +EV enough because betting is just gonna be unprofitable most of the times + it's micros

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01-30-2014 , 11:31 PM

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leproso88

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,627

Having the K of spade I think it's better to check/call. If we didn't have that K then I would probably bet/fold.

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