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10-08-2010 , 05:01 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 970653
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MP2: $26.22
CO: $19.90
BTN: $34.53
SB: $20.83
BB: $25.00
UTG: $11.15
Hero (UTG+1): $45.48
MP1: $57.62

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.85, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.05) Q 4 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, MP2 calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.45) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($7.45) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, MP2 raises to $22.67 all in, Hero folds

Vilain is
14/3 over many hands, 8% call open in MP

I did a blocking bet on the river.

What is your line here?
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10-08-2010 , 05:06 AM
I think the problem with your river bet is that it seems more like a desperate move because of the turn c/c.
As played it's clearly a fold for me.

I would have bet flop, bet turn and probably bet river, only folding if he comes over the top.
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10-08-2010 , 05:33 AM
I'd Change the sizing of your bets aswell. I'd raise atleast 1$ pre since we are UTG+1, you really don't want to make it to cheap so the rest of the garbage can tag allong. Same goes for the flop i think 1,20 in a 2,05 pot looks like a weak C-bet to me wich can easily be exploited. I'd also bet the turn, if he raises you there it's probably an easy fold. But as played, I woulnd't bet on the river. His turn bet is so small, its close to 33% of the pot. If he continues to play along this line, your protection bet isn't gonna do much good here since his own bet sizing is already this small. I like the fold though.
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10-08-2010 , 06:15 AM
No point raising to 1$.. 0.85 is already more than 3BB... no trash will tag along for either 0.75 nor 1$, and hands that want to play will call both. So except for playing bigger pot there's no difference. Personal preference, raising to 0.75 is just fine.

Flop bet bigger, definitely.
I assume you checked the turn for pot control? His small bet suggest he wants to keep weak hands in the hand.
River, I like the bet here, because for 1. you could have rivered that flush, even tho it's unlikely due to the preflop action. 2. many hands will just call there. 3. Better hands will let you know by raising.

Overall his line looks like a set otf and ott, turned into fullhouse otr.
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10-08-2010 , 06:39 AM
in ep id rather raise to 4bb here, i mean we are raising for value...

would you rather win 4bb or 3bb everytime they fold to a cbet?
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10-08-2010 , 06:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TidalWave
No point raising to 1$.. 0.85 is already more than 3BB... no trash will tag along for either 0.75 nor 1$, and hands that want to play will call both. So except for playing bigger pot there's no difference. Personal preference, raising to 0.75 is just fine.

Flop bet bigger, definitely.
I assume you checked the turn for pot control? His small bet suggest he wants to keep weak hands in the hand.
River, I like the bet here, because for 1. you could have rivered that flush, even tho it's unlikely due to the preflop action. 2. many hands will just call there. 3. Better hands will let you know by raising.

Overall his line looks like a set otf and ott, turned into fullhouse otr.
Yes wanted to do some pot control. I agree with you look very much like 77 or 88. And i don't think villain is the kind of big all in bluff river. I am not sure why but somehow his stats are weird and his pfr is pretty low.
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10-08-2010 , 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolmat
Yes wanted to do some pot control. I agree with you look very much like 77 or 88. And i don't think villain is the kind of big all in bluff river. I am not sure why but somehow his stats are weird and his pfr is pretty low.
I don't play with stats, but I figure his stats especially pfr is irrelevant here, since he didn't raise but called?


scoom: True but then again, unless you open from UTG for 1$ with anything else as well, it's too obvious what you are doing it with.
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10-08-2010 , 07:34 AM
tidalwave, a standards TAG EP raise mainly 77+ AJs+ i guess, so you do it with all obviously, your raising these hands for value.
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10-08-2010 , 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoom
tidalwave, a standards TAG EP raise mainly 77+ AJs+ i guess, so you do it with all obviously, your raising these hands for value.
Right, I was just saying that one should stick to one size... whether it's 3bb or 4bb doesn't matter, what matters is you're oop otf and onwards. So raising more with really good hands like AA / KK would be ok, but I don't see how doing that with 77 is not throwing extra cash away.
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10-08-2010 , 08:44 AM
There are times where we do vary our bet size. The most obvious, one I always use, is if theres a loose passive fish that you want in the pot. Ovbiously raise as much as he can call. Like you say, the other regs will call a 0.75 or a $1 regardless, but atleast we have a chance to play a biger pot with the fish.
Another is when the fish is in the blinds and you UTG. I raise KJo to atleast $1 just to play with the fish IP.
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10-08-2010 , 08:55 AM
Bet more on flop, bet turn, bet river to get value from AQ/KQ. If he's got a set he'll likely raise turn, so if you get to the river you're pretty confident of being ahead and your flop and turn bets will set up a nice pot on the river.
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10-08-2010 , 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TidalWave
No point raising to 1$.. 0.85 is already more than 3BB... no trash will tag along for either 0.75 nor 1$, and hands that want to play will call both. So except for playing bigger pot there's no difference. Personal preference, raising to 0.75 is just fine.
I believe this is wrongthink in that it isn't complete ...

Garon
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10-08-2010 , 10:27 AM
Think he has 77. Your line can easilly rep an A High flush, and he obviously isn't scared of that.

If you consider him to be a decent player this 77 is most likely here. Think 88 might fold flop
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10-08-2010 , 12:27 PM
IMO, preflop drama for deciding between 0.85$ or 1$ really doesn't make much of a difference. Postflop against an unknown I like a bet/bet/bet line here, fold to a raise at any point since unknowns tend to be loose/passive, there's no draws he could raise and getting it in with 1 pair against a raise/bet/bet with no read is an easy way to go broke against sets.
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