BTN is 56/20/3b0 over 15 hands, an apparent super fish over a tiny sample. He has folded to 1/1 pf 3bets.
SB is 0/0 over 4 hands, an unknown.

How's my line?

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SB: $27.62
Hero (BB): $27.03
CO: $25.00
BTN: $66.13

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J T
1 fold, BTN raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.75) 2 2 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, SB folds

Turn: ($8.75) T (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

River: ($21.75) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $16.78 all in, BTN folds


Preflop, I could see squeezing this, but then again, I'm just as happy playing a big drawing hand 3-way with less money in preflop against players like the BTN.

Flop is an easy bet/shove.
Turn is an easy bet/shove. It's worth noting that villain thinks for a while and then calls at the last second.

River is interesting. I think I'm betting all of my missed air, but we have some showdown value, and we might well be ahead of the fishy villain. However, I think there may well be better things we fold out by shoving river.

You are never folding out better on the river. Nice value net. A8 should pay you off. I think c/c is a decent play as well for him to bluff a missed club draw, but since you have two, it's more likely he has an eight.

nice valuebet @ river. no he is not folding anything better.

What are you trying to bluff off on the river? I see this as a thin value bet, possibly too thin.

I can see a valuebet of maybe $12 but not $16

actually given 56VPIP it makes no difference WP sir

no, it is a good valuebet vs this villain. he willhave hard time folding 8x or even 77.

this is so wrong i wont even tell why.

It's less than a psb. Villain will call with A8 and then call us a fish.

seems fine

i like it.

I like your style kid

Well played sir.

river shove is spew imo.

to elaborate a little, if a guy is calling you on the river with an 8, than he is peeling the flop with overcards, and you're going to be well behind the range of hands that calls your shove. its not anywhere close to a value bet.

I think there are too many assumptions made towards the villain, as we only have 15 hands on him.

I really don't see any value in betting the river. I don't think many fish call with 8x, especially considering the strong line. C/C imo.

if he is calling on the river with an 8, then he called the flop with top pair, not overs.

Looks like a prime spot to bluff catch the river. Or bet $5

what i mean is that if he's loose enough to call down here with an 8, than he's loose enough to call the flop with lots of overcard hands that don't have an 8 in them, a lot of which improved on either the turn or the river.

First of all, we have 15 hands on villain and he's not a fish until proven otherwise.

I have no idea what the river shove accomplishes for us except folding out worse and getting called by better. I would much rather c/c river or bet 1/2 pot.

Calling the flop turn and river with an 8 is completly different from calling with overs. Against you nits who won't value bet here, it might even be a good call.

yes, calling 3 barrels with an 8x is different from calling 3 barrels with overs. somestation calling 3 barrels with an 8x is peeling flop with overs though. i'm not so sure what's so hard to understand about that. there's a difference between being nitty and not making bad bets just bc its the easy thing to do.

And what I'm saying is, I don't think this is necessarily true. And if he's peeling the flop (and not the turn), then we only have to worry about the T, which we have a blocker to anyway.

It's all a moot point, anyway, since I'm pretty sure OP thought he was bluffing here.


I was j/K with the "nitty" comment. My point being, if villain was a thinking player (he clearly isn't) and we don't value bet here, then calling the river with A8 is the same as calling it with AA because clearly we are either bluffing or have 222+.

Fish/station or whatever don't raise any hand with an 8 pre-flop unless it's exactly 88 so there's a hole in the logic.

River shove is bad imo, you have only 15 hands. I would not lead that flop also, i would hope for a free card, and beting in to a guy that seems like a calling station with jack high is -EV in my book.