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03-01-2010 , 01:28 PM

iIImatic

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Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $18.14
UTG: $25.00
Hero (CO): $67.13
BTN: $21.04
SB: $33.42

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($8.25) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $8.25, Hero calls $8.25

River: ($24.75) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Villain is 32/13/46 Afq. c/r a lot of flops, but haven't seen showdown in those hands.

Shove turn/vbet river?

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03-01-2010 , 01:29 PM

Maxaon

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lol @ the river check. WTF?

He usually has a Q here and isn't folding.

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03-01-2010 , 01:34 PM

kaos_

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Why are we floating his c/r? I don't like it.

We can call turn + pray for Ad/5d while folding any diamond river (spades I'm not sure about) or just shove turn. I prefer shoving turn for value but it's close if he ever bluffs rivers. Worse will spazz call.

I typically shove river every time just because we're never beat and you'd be surprised what he could have. (AQ/KQ/KK+...)

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03-01-2010 , 01:34 PM

lumileijona

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Originally Posted by Maxaon

lol @ the river check. WTF?

He usually has a Q here and isn't folding.

isn't the villain somewhat polarised after the flop c/r and turn barrel?
If he has air, he isn't going to call. If he had a set on the flop, we are bluffing with our trips (unsuccessfully prob).

If he c/r with TP type hands then vbetting is fine, but few villains do. They either have air or a hand that beats ours.

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03-01-2010 , 01:36 PM

kaos_

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Originally Posted by Maxaon

lol @ the river check. WTF?

He usually has a Q here and isn't folding.

The interesting part is that if you believe he usually has a Q here, then the flop call is terrible. (Which I agree with for the most part)

So maybe hero had a different perception of villains tendencies than is common much like lumileijona's point of view.

In the case where you believe he has a Q a % of the time, EZ EZ shove. If you believe otherwise, then he always has air and we should be like 20% pot and snap call a shove.

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03-01-2010 , 01:38 PM

Maxaon

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

He check raises flop a lot and the sizing makes me believe it's either top pair or overpair. On the river he is never checking better because he has no reason to think we are going to bet. We are virtually never beat here and should be hoping villain has TP or overpair. Flop bet/call is terrible though FWIW.

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03-01-2010 , 02:06 PM

DragonsAreCool

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Raise turn. He will think "he has a four but I'm going to call because he CANT have a four". Strange thought process I know but he will call a raise with Q's and he wont continue his bluffs on most boards by the river anyway.

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03-01-2010 , 02:25 PM

CortezFantastic

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How did stacks not get in on the river.

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03-01-2010 , 03:00 PM

skunkAPE

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

If he has air, he isn't going to call. If he had a set on the flop, we are bluffing with our trips (unsuccessfully prob).

He has a set hardly ever in this spot because he would bet the river, so he either folds his air or calls with his queens and overpairs. Easy shove

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03-01-2010 , 03:04 PM

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lumileijona

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Originally Posted by skunkAPE

He has a set hardly ever in this spot because he would bet the river, so he either folds his air or calls with his queens and overpairs. Easy shove

There are many idiots that are so much afraid of the bd flush that they will c/c the river with a set. If he raises flop and barrels turn only with a set or air (like most uNL villains) it is better to check behind here. If we bet our trips here we should also bet AQ IMO

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03-01-2010 , 03:07 PM

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DragonsAreCool

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Villain has a set here exactly never. Definitely betting the river with AQ.

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03-01-2010 , 03:17 PM

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Maxaon

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

If he has a set he has a boat so he wouldn't be afraid of the flush.

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03-01-2010 , 03:19 PM

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bjammin

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Originally Posted by lumileijona

A set here is a boat.

You absolutely have to shove river here

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03-01-2010 , 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxaon

If he has a set he has a boat so he wouldn't be afraid of the flush.

OOOOOOOOOOOOPS you are right. Bainfart. Easy v bet-

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03-01-2010 , 03:35 PM

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gman339

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Fold to flop c/r.

As played raise turn.

As played bet river. (Can't imagine why you'd check this down.)

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03-01-2010 , 03:41 PM

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aggo

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shove turn...

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