Allright so I'm playing this hand oop against a Laggier guy. He's running 30/22 over 70 hands. Did I mess this one up or did I do ok?

personally i figured he had pp, prolly qq-aa, but on the river i wasn't sure if i should pull the trigger and c/r or not, obviously i've repped a really weird line, so i was pretty sure that this guy was gonna bet the river when i checked, the only reason i checked instead of betting for value. But when he bet small it looked like he was making a value bet which made me wonder if he had connected (aj or something). Std play is probably bet river, i know that, but i was also going on a read in game time that i really thought this guy thought i was weak and was going to bet regardless... so i guess i shoulda pulled the trigger for the raise on the river huh?

also a reraise on the river would be sick since we're both at least a little deep, so the thought had occured to me to try and excercise some pot control

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CO: $9.80
BTN: $55.85
SB: $3.85
Hero (BB): $46.40
UTG: $37.90
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J T
UTG raises to $0.85, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) J J 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($5.40) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

River: ($12.40) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

I think I would fold this preflop against an UTG raise. Maybe that's a personal thing, but I don't want to play this hand OOP.

As played, I like the c/c on the flop, it keeps your perceived range wide as opposed to betting out or c/r'ing. Turn bet is good, but I think on the river I bet/fold.

yeah i dont like it oop either tbh, i went out on a limb and decided to try and play some poker with this guy because he had been opening up a pretty good bit as the table tightened up. I considered 3betting light, but i really only wanted to do that IP and this was the first opportunity that had presented itself.

You bet/fold the river to get value from weaker jacks and pp, and fold out against a better jack or fullhouse right?

Use whatever line you think gets the most money in the pot. Fearing a better J or FH seems weak.


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CO: $9.80
BTN: $55.85
SB: $3.85
Hero (BB): $46.40
UTG: $37.90
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J T
UTG raises to $0.85, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) J J 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($5.40) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.25, UTG calls $4.25

River: ($13.90) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

I agree with Pocket3s in that we just want to find the most profitable line, and it sounds like you had a decent read on how this guy was playing, so I can't put up a strong argument against your line.

The reason I said b/f the river is mainly because stronger Js will at least call and probably raise, and some weaker Js (J8, J7) filled up and now beat you (and will raise). Sets that became FHs will raise here as well hoping to get money off a J. I would think overpairs would call much more than bet on this board, so that's why I think we need to bet. This way we can set the price of showdown.

Hope I made sense

Yeah, raise. You're missing a lot of money on the river here.

99?

What's your reasoning for the raise? I don't see a lot of worse hands calling a raise here (unless maybe it's a min raise which I thought about), and better hands are shoving and forcing us to fold.

Does this guy usually open to $.85 instead of $1? Because such a weak Open would make me think that this guy has AK, AA, KK, or QQ and is begging for callers. If you believed that this guy had such a hand, and there is really nothing in this hand that would make me believe otherwise, I would c/r this river for a pot sized bet. I would think that he is going to call it and show a high pp. He might even reraise allin in which case i would definitely call. My reason is that i believe you have the best hand and I really can't make a decision of what this 1/4sized pot bet on the river means. If he does happen to have AJ or KJ then I think you may have got unlucky. If you are uncomfortable with getting your stack in with this hand, then I would put out a blocking bet on the river or c/c the river but i think you are missing out on a lot of money.
Theres no way that i would fold this hand because I don't believe that he has put you on a J in which case he could be betting with any garbage. If anything I would believe that he would think that you have a busted flush draw. By calling this river bet you only have to be right 1/4 times to be profitable.

Get your money in. you have the best of it.

Overpairs can call, TT, 99 too...sometimes random unexpected stuff. Unless somebody gives me a reason not to VB in spots like this then I'm going to do it.

I've been betting out sometimes on the flop with a hand like this when I'm in early position instead of just checking. People never seem to expect you to bet with a J in your hand and I think this looks weaker than c/c.

As played, I would have just called the river raise also. He may just be a bad player, but the size of the river bet looks like a bet that wants to be called.

3.5 to 4 bb is standard. He most likely opens for 3.5 everytime. Some open for 4. Don't read anything into that unless you notice it is not always the same.