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08-01-2008 , 05:04 AM

and12006

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 492

FTP $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $113.60
Hero (BB): $53.80
UTG: $43.70
CO: $52.80 16/13/4 3bet 3.6 over 379
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q

Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $4
I hate this spot should I be 4bet and folding to a shove?

Flop: ($10.25) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.00, Hero raises to $30, CO raises to $47.80, Hero calls $17.80

I was a bit on tilt and had a very bad few days before this. Should I be c/f here was I just looking to hit a Q. I feel if I'm going to contuine I have to raise being there's a few draws but at best I'm 50/50 or WB if he raises/calls. This is very spewy no?

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08-01-2008 , 05:29 AM

Dalius

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with these stacks. i would c/c flop. c/f turn , if opo leads again

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08-01-2008 , 05:40 AM

elusien

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I feel if I'm going to contuine I have to raise being there's a few draws but at best I'm 50/50 or WB if he raises/calls. This is very spewy no?[/QUOTE]

What kind of draw do u think he could have here after he 3bets u pre besides Aks? I would call the flop bet and reevaluate the turn.

btw i think ur hand history is kind of messed up?

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08-01-2008 , 06:09 AM

Pinocchio

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think i lead flop for just over half pot, fold to a re-raise and c/f the turn.

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08-01-2008 , 06:22 AM

toolazytoplay

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Just my two cents...

I would fold to his raise. Sure u could have the best hand, but he plays 16/13 over a good (enough) sample size. He just dont has AK here often enough to make ur call profitable. And even if he has AK, he probably bets the flop (because hes a somewhat solid player) and u have a very dificult decision.

edit: Didnt see ur 200bb deep... I think calling for setvalue is fine, too.
And yes i think ur play on the flop is very spewy

Last edited by toolazytoplay; 08-01-2008 at 06:28 AM.

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08-01-2008 , 07:06 AM

boycalledroy

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The problem with your line is it folds out JJ and keeps in KK/AA. So we need to play this hand with that in mind. I think I like to c/c flop and see a turn card and see what happens on this street.

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08-01-2008 , 07:15 AM

NeverScurred

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Most of you need to stop being nits imo. Folding preflop would be ridiculous here and 4-bet folding is gross because it almost turns your hand into a bluff (I guess he can flat sometimes since you're 200BB deep but I wouldn't count on it happening often).

c/c flop and I probably call most turns too because this should be a good spot for him to double barrel you since your range contains PPs a lot lower than QQ that you were setmining with and would often peel one street with and fold to a turn bet. Realistically QQ is the very top of your range after you c/c flop so folding it on the turn seems pretty meh.

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08-01-2008 , 09:52 AM

toolazytoplay

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Sure its nitty, but not without a good reason. Its because his range is so strong there. I have played a lot 25NL and i almost never saw that a 16/13 guy 3-bet without a really premium hand. Namely AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ.

Of course QQ is the ultimative boarderline hand. But in general i think its defenitly profitable to avoid tough spots (oop) against somewhat solid players with a hand that can get u in a lot of trouble.

Of course, this deep i would setmine.

Now u can flame me...

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08-01-2008 , 11:19 AM

klink10k

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Flat the flop. whats the point of overbetting? it turns your hand faceup as either a mediocre 1 pair hand or overpair, that wants some fold equity.

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08-01-2008 , 01:30 PM

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and12006

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My tracker thinks I'm in BB because SB sat out. Yes there's only KAs for a draw and c/r this flop was stupid I wish I was thinking right :P

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08-01-2008 , 01:46 PM

#11

Navie

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3bet/ fold flop, his hand seems really strong in here esp his playing OOP, i dont think his donk leading into u for no reason!

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08-01-2008 , 02:05 PM

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Vanidor

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Call preflop is fine for set value.

With stacks this deep though i think it is very spewy to go to war with just one pair post flop. Especially against a villain with these stats. I probably call the flop and reevaluate the turn.

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08-01-2008 , 02:29 PM

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monkeymaps

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Originally Posted by Navie

3bet/ fold flop, his hand seems really strong in here esp his playing OOP, i dont think his donk leading into u for no reason!

?????????????? did you read the OP?

OP preflop is standard.
you really need to include reads if you had any.

just c/c the flop standard's 3betting range is pob AQs+ and JJ+
if he fires agian on the turn your usually beat.
c/r sucks hard because your bluffing
b/3bet sucks cause your in terrible shape if you get it in. (with the exception if villian has JJ) but he would prob fold that to that much heat.

so c/f turn if he fires agian IMO.
c/c flop
reads could change all this though

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08-01-2008 , 03:52 PM

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and12006

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Don't really have many reads stats are datamined, he hasn't got out of line and seems standard and c/c would of been much better thanks for the comment.

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08-01-2008 , 04:55 PM

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80sSynthPop

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Originally Posted by NeverScurred

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08-01-2008 , 05:31 PM

#16

knn05

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Because you are deep and OOP this is a RIO situation. there's no way you're going to have any idea where you stand in the hand. Either fold pre flop and wait for a better spot or follow this, IMO:

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Originally Posted by monkeymaps

just c/c the flop standard's 3betting range is pob AQs+ and JJ+
if he fires agian on the turn your usually beat.
c/r sucks hard because your bluffing
b/3bet sucks cause your in terrible shape if you get it in. (with the exception if villian has JJ) but he would prob fold that to that much heat.

so c/f turn if he fires agian IMO.
c/c flop
reads could change all this though

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08-01-2008 , 06:53 PM

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High_SocietyA9

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Originally Posted by monkeymaps

this

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08-03-2008 , 04:19 AM

#18

Pinocchio

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I defiantly leading this flop. If you’re going to call a raise oop you may as well make the bet and get some fold equity. And if we get raised it becomes an easy fold...

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08-03-2008 , 04:25 AM

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sbragby

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don't like the 3 bet call preflop. IMO get it in here but once you call you are most likely beat on the flop.

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08-03-2008 , 05:00 AM

#20

43forty

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blassstt

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