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08-21-2009 , 02:12 PM
I have no history with villain. He's 26/14/6.5. Very high flop aggression.

I have been playing pretty tight. With no history/reads, I'm usually folding here...am I getting pushed off the best hand a lot? I just don't know what he's check raising here that I beat...

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (CO): $25.80
BTN: $30.00
SB: $24.20
BB: $25.00
UTG: $32.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) 2 8 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($8.75) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $5.75, Hero ?????
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08-21-2009 , 02:14 PM
Looks like this thread ( http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...uation-565339/ ) is very similar to mine...I guess I'll just read some of those replies. But if anyone has something to add please do.
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08-21-2009 , 02:33 PM
I struggle with these spots a lot. I alwyas just call down (call river depending on how much they bet), and Im not sure if Im showing a profit or not. I call here and probably call most river bets, hoping that he has Q with worse kicker.
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08-21-2009 , 02:36 PM
It is fine to fold here with no history/read. But make a note. He was just repping sets, if he keeps doing that you know what to do.
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08-21-2009 , 02:36 PM
How many hands? If a big enough sample what's his checkraise flop %?
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08-21-2009 , 02:48 PM
Optimistic whats your standard line vs a 20/18/2.5 type over 50 hands.
If ya dont mind me asking.
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08-21-2009 , 02:53 PM
Without a solid read which indicates I should be doing otherwise, I'm happy just folding in these spots. If he's super aggressive on flop then I guess he can be doing this with QJ or something but not often enough IMO.
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08-21-2009 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoPoker
With no history/reads, I'm usually folding here...am I getting pushed off the best hand a lot? I just don't know what he's check raising here that I beat...
Agree with all of your reasoning; this flop is so bone dry that you are essentially in a WA/WB situation when he raises the flop here. In a classic WA/WB situation, like most I default to trying to keep the pot small. so, when he keeps firing, I think you have to fold -- this time. But as other suggested, make a note of it...if he keeps doing this with frequency, then it is time to put him to a decision.
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08-21-2009 , 03:43 PM
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. He's 26/14/6.5. Very high flop aggression.
against this guy i just call down because i don't think he would c/r a set on this dry flop. And i don't think he'll c/r AQ here
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08-21-2009 , 03:46 PM
I call turn bc it is super brick. I fold flop against almost any villain, but not this one. My main issue is sample size on stats. If I have supporting stats and a read. I will call/call or just ship the turn. I ship turn bc you will see some rly weird spazz calls.
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08-21-2009 , 03:48 PM
With your read that he has high flop and aggression, and no need to protect your hand if it is indeed good, I think calling down is fine. A c/r by villain in this spot will take down the hand a ton of the time against a meh reg at 25NL because a meh reg will c-bet this board with his whole range, but will rarely (if ever) continue without Qx+ to a c/r. So c/r bluffing this is actually pretty profitable against a weakish reg.

He's also polarizing his range a ton to like 88/22/air with the c/r, and the standard line with the sets is not to c/r a dry flop as you rate to blow villain off the hand
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08-21-2009 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinders
Optimistic whats your standard line vs a 20/18/2.5 type over 50 hands.
If ya dont mind me asking.
This is the type of situation I hate. For a tag, his hands to checkraise are really polarised and our hand is just a bluffcatcher, even on the flop.

Does a villain bluff checkraise this flop > 20% of the time? Even then we need to assume villain will give up his bluffs when called and if he doesn't then if he bets this amount on a brick turn we need to be good > 28% of the time instead.

Part of me just feels like folding the flop until I get more postflop reads but as 2.5 isn't crazy aggro if he is bluffing he may give up and check the turn so a call may be fine.

In the OP 6.5AF is really high so I like a call down if its over a big sample. But we really have to be willing to call all 3 streets as he seems like a maniac. I'd also like to know his 3bet% as I guess he 3bets AQ some of the time.
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