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NL25: AQ vs c/r, two pair ott NL25: AQ vs c/r, two pair ott

12-23-2012 , 09:45 AM
Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $26.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3.2, AggFrq: 30%, Hands: 236
CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 2.7, Hands: 43
Hero (BTN): $25.00 - 23/19, 3Bet 7
SB: $25.50 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 1.3, Hands: 226
BB: $27.37 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 25, 3B: 17, AF: NaN, Hands: 8

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A Q
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) Q T 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG raises to $3.75, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.35) A (2 players)
UTG bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($20.35) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $16.00, Hero ?


Ok, maybe I misplayed this one. Villain doesn't care too much about position, since he's seems to open ~14% from all positions. But haven't seen him do something out of line. No special history between us.
CBet flop 7/10, cbet turn 1/1 (hero folds ~50% vs cbets). No c/r so far. Didn't look for that while playing though tbh, because there was lots of action on the other tables...

His c/r otf didn't make much sense, so I decided to call the raise and a blank turn. Ship turn probably?
River as played: Does a fairly tight player take this line often enough with a busted draw or weaker Pair/2Pair?
NL25: AQ vs c/r, two pair ott Quote
12-23-2012 , 10:00 AM
ship turn, call river as played
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12-23-2012 , 10:27 AM
Why ship the turn? Let him barrel his hand off. By shipping the turn I think we are getting called only by better hands..
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12-23-2012 , 10:29 AM
and what do you think he's going to keep barreling?
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12-23-2012 , 10:37 AM
We loose value if we dont ship the turn from combodraws and QT, AT when draws complete overall getting it in OTT should be better.
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12-23-2012 , 10:59 AM
I'm curious to hear what people think his check-raising range is here?

Then, what part of that range shoves river? Does he really have that many bluffs and worse value hands when he shoves?
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12-23-2012 , 11:13 AM
Honestly I m always very confused about what people do these kind of checkraises with, I would think mostly its some kind of a semibluff, probably some sets in the range as well. As for the riverbet he probably does this with AK,AJ and QT for hands that we beat. I m not too sure about AJ.
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12-23-2012 , 11:39 AM
Given how tight he is, I dont think he is bluffing you.

UTG raiser decides to c/r that flop, whilst it doesn't make much sense because he should be cbetting 100% of the time (vs most of 25NL players), Im pretty sure he isn't bluffing. I could maybe see him turn up with AKhh or KJhh some of the time. Every made hand beats us on the flop because he doesn't c/r worse IMO.

He can't really have a two pair hand so on the turn the only hand we beat is AKhh. We lose to sets too if he did do that on the flop.

River, its just KJhh, sets and maybe AQ as well for a chop. Folding river all day long.
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12-23-2012 , 11:53 AM
I think I agree with Andy. I just don't think he bluffs very often OTR and would maybe only value own himself with AhTh. I think his turn bet-sizing makes me think he has a set or Ax hand more often than the straight.
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12-23-2012 , 11:56 AM
hero beats AJ.

looks like a tricky played set.

fold River
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12-23-2012 , 12:06 PM
fold river, but call flop+turn?
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12-23-2012 , 12:11 PM
Nah that would be bad, fold turn if you plan on folding a blank river. Or even better, fold flop.
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12-23-2012 , 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tight Is Right
hero beats AJ.

looks like a tricky played set.

fold River
But we beat AJ!?
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12-23-2012 , 12:30 PM
Being tight preflop doesnt matter when it comes to bluffing. It only affects ranges.
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12-23-2012 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BornToRun
But we beat AJ!?
would you fire 3barrels with AJ???

if we assign him a pure value range

QQ 1 combo
TT 3 combos
88 3 combos
KJs 4 combos
J9s 4 combos
total of 15 combos

AJ 8 combos

we have to be good 30 % of the time, roughly, to make a call break even.

if you add bluffs even less of course.

but does he fire 3 barrels with AJ on this board?

readless I fold River.

his flop cr is very weird though.
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12-23-2012 , 12:35 PM
Looks like TT, AQ, AKhh. I would probably raise the turn I don't think he's ever really bluffing though.
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12-23-2012 , 12:44 PM
His river bet sizing suggests sets, and KJ but his turn sizing seems small as that is where you get most the value from in this hand.
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12-23-2012 , 02:44 PM
I think calling flop is burning money vs this guy
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12-23-2012 , 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
I think calling flop is burning money vs this guy
So you think he is doing this only with sets and KK+?
I never get to sd in these spots, but I m really curious because the line is so weird.
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12-23-2012 , 03:02 PM
He just doesn't have a wide enough bluffing range on the flop given his vp/pfr.
He is probably only doing it with a set or a huge combo draw.

We hit the nut turn and even still we're sighing on the river.
I think river is a call only for your range and to not be exploited but vs someone who plays 17/14 we can exploit them by just folding flop.
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