Villain is 19/16/2.5 w 6.1 3bet and 58% f3b (12 hands). I recall that at this point in the session we probably had some history with preflop activity, but I can't remember how much at the time of this hand. I believe villain is giving my range light 3bets based on that history. I am not giving villain's range light flats preflop and I think he thinks that I won't be including these in his range as well. So I'm assuming he has a range that looks something like 99-QQ (with QQ discounted a bit)/AQ preflop. Of course it could include more hands than this.

Flop play is probably bad but I'd rather focus on this river as it is much more interesting.

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $76.90
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $4.70
MP: $37.75
CO: $6.05
BTN: $53.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K A
1 fold, MP raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, MP calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.60) 3 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, MP calls $3.25

Turn: ($13.10) K (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, MP calls $6

River: ($25.10) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, MP calls $12.50

Trying to decide between c/f and shove this river. I don't give villain credit for double floating air AQ/AJ ever so c/c river is out of the question even if villain always turns 77 into a bluff. Shove is better if villain gets to river with enough bluff catchers and then calls with them on a scary river which completes some backdoor draws. Bluff catchers that get to this river are very much narrowed to QQ/JJ. Also hurting the case for a shove drastically, villain should probably continue past the turn with this exact line with every single hand in his range that is ahead of me on the turn. This is because there are very few combos of draws that bet/call this turn, and additionally a turn 2bet from villain has a lot of fold equity. It is also reasonable for villain to assume that I am bluffing a lot of rivers.

Bigger flop, check turn, bet river.
Looks like TT-QQ, something like that. too scary turn card for him. So we check here, and create a bluff-catcher.

For value. When we check the turn we weaken our range in villain's eyes, so when we bet the turn, it looks like a weakish made hand or a bluff, and we will get called by worse Ks, and some underpairs often enough to make betting the river +ev.

Oh, and I check/shove the turn if villain bets it.

Thats it.

Omg. Definitly DON'T check turn.

I do check flop sometimes though.

Btw overbet shoving the turn is a rly lol line that gets a lot of worse junk to level themselves into calling. Stack sizes are rly bad on the 2 for 2 streets bit you have 18 with 13 in the pot. Checking is terrible bc u bet flop for value and now turn is a disguised improvement so bet for value.

Stick it in on the turn.

How fast is he calling the flop and turn bet? I think betting the turn screams strength in a 3bet pot when you probably arnt double barreling with air (which puts you on an extremely thin range on the turn of KK, AA, AK, AQcc, ATcc). In other words, if villain is a thinking player on basically any level, hes going to need a fairly strong hand (the only hand you're beating in his range is QQ). Now when you take this line and get called on the turn, I think you definitely have to check the river. There is little value in betting the river here and a hand like QQ which still has value is not going to turn into a bluff very often, so you don't have to worry too much about bluff catching. If he bets close to PSB on the river I would puke.

Also, those recommending the turn check, I like the idea.

I'd check turn if villain was a habitual floater, but yeah you're right, betting turn is better.

AQcc and ATcc are not possible. I think this hand is totally standard. Villain can easily have KQ here also.

Horrible call for villain if he had QQ-JJ. Is hero ever Vbetting anything worse than a King?

anyways I would have played it the same.

bump!

I like your line, I think TT/99/88 are slightly discounted from his range and we are maxing value against QQ/JJ. Our bet-sizing and the brief history lead me to think he bluff-catches us a lot on the river. I think AK shows up here some of the time (flatting pre ip to keep worse in your range), and rarely AQcc or QJ.

i play it the exact same way always.

villians raise a lot of the hands that beat us on the flop or turn (even tho they prolly shouldnt do that) so i am think we r ahead such a huge chunk of the time that we essentially HAVE to bet. he is getting a good price on the river and will talk himself into making a loose call for more often then he has us beat imo.