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NL25: AK, quick line check, cb spot 3b pot NL25: AK, quick line check, cb spot 3b pot

11-08-2011 , 03:53 PM
Villain is 26/15 over 64 hands, no fold to 3b sample on him. Fold to cb 1/2 so far. He can be flatting my 3b fairly wide with broadways etc so I'm just cbetting to collect dead equity/protecting/not leaving him stab IP with a wide range.
He snap called the flop so I don't really think I can get him to fold much, but he does have a lot of pairs in his range that will call this v dry flop & be scared of the turn. Like 44/55/77/88, he could have 6x as well with like 56/67/68 sooted type hands too I guess.
But we come to the age old problem, he's unknown, so we've no idea if he'll fold those hands after snapping the flop.
Just wondering, If he had called the flop slowly or "normal" speed would that change your mind as to whether or not to bomb this turn? Or is it a simple case of: we don't know if he'll fold anything or how many 9x he has in his range>all other info.

Your thoughts?

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10994642

    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $44.09 (176.4 bb)
    UTG+2: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
    MP1: $10.25 (41 bb)
    MP2: $19.47 (77.9 bb)
    MP3: $10 (40 bb)
    CO: $33.34 (133.4 bb)
    BTN: $18.89 (75.6 bb)
    Hero (SB): $30.26 (121 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
    6 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB folds, BTN calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.75) 9 3 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

    Turn: ($10.75) Q (2 players)
    Hero thinks about jamming, hmm




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    NL25: AK, quick line check, cb spot 3b pot Quote
    11-08-2011 , 04:06 PM
    stack sizes are a little awkward. I probably bet 1/3 pot on flop to try and control the pot size and give yourself better odds because I don't think his defending range changes much based on our flop size.

    As played, I'd bet small fold turn.
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    11-08-2011 , 08:32 PM
    To fold out 6x/22/44/55/77/88, maybe some random floats too? He must be pretty heavily weighted towards these hands iyo if we think he'll fold to ~$5 ott, correct?
    Not sure about betting small on the turn vs these guys, although that would nearly be 1/2 his stack so if he's a fish he will see it relative to his stack & not the pot, therefore making a smaller bet=a bigger one?
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    11-09-2011 , 01:42 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AphexThree
    To fold out 6x/22/44/55/77/88, maybe some random floats too? He must be pretty heavily weighted towards these hands iyo if we think he'll fold to ~$5 ott, correct?
    I think there are a lot of over cards in his range also, although we're ahead of that part of his range, so bluffing them now isn't the best option. However, kinda like before, I feel that betting real small something like $3.50 on the turn will get him to fold a lot of small pocket pairs and missed over-cards. Plus I think it will allow us to price our 6 out draw in. And it will set up the pot size to be good for a normal size river bet in case we hit our Ace or King.

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    Not sure about betting small on the turn vs these guys, although that would nearly be 1/2 his stack so if he's a fish he will see it relative to his stack & not the pot, therefore making a smaller bet=a bigger one?
    I don't think fish really adjust their calling ranges based on our bet sizes. So I just fluctuate my bet sizing to accomplish whatever I'm trying to do against fish.
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    11-09-2011 , 01:49 AM
    3-bet bigger and I'd check flop against this fishy player and these stack sizes. I just don't see villain folding often. I'm tempted to check/call, but that depends on bet sizing.
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    11-09-2011 , 02:05 PM
    betting once on this flop against this kind of player is an absolute waste of money, the only hands he potentially folds to one bet on this board texture are hands that you have beat anyway like JTs,QJs. He is never folding any pair (pretty sure he is not folding 44 for example), he is not folding 87s,54s and he is not folding AK,AQ and likely not even KQ.

    so there are 2 ways to play this hand:
    1) check the flop and hope to get SD super cheaply. Lots of weak/non - aggressive players check down hands like AQ,KQ,87s in that spot or potentially bluff once on the river in which case you have to decide between hero calling or just c/f'ing if the board runs out bad.
    2) design a plan to shove a reasonable amount of chips at some point of the hand, preferably the turn in this spot.

    In my opinion, CB the flop slightly bigger and then shipping the turn and by that creating a lot of FE vs the weak parts of his range is wayyyy better than creating dead money on the flop with no real plan on how to play the hand/win the pot on later streets.
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    11-09-2011 , 03:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB182
    betting once on this flop against this kind of player is an absolute waste of money, the only hands he potentially folds to one bet on this board texture are hands that you have beat anyway like JTs,QJs. He is never folding any pair (pretty sure he is not folding 44 for example), he is not folding 87s,54s and he is not folding AK,AQ and likely not even KQ.

    so there are 2 ways to play this hand:
    1) check the flop and hope to get SD super cheaply. Lots of weak/non - aggressive players check down hands like AQ,KQ,87s in that spot or potentially bluff once on the river in which case you have to decide between hero calling or just c/f'ing if the board runs out bad.
    2) design a plan to shove a reasonable amount of chips at some point of the hand, preferably the turn in this spot.

    In my opinion, CB the flop slightly bigger and then shipping the turn and by that creating a lot of FE vs the weak parts of his range is wayyyy better than creating dead money on the flop with no real plan on how to play the hand/win the pot on later streets.
    Plan 2 does sound pretty good, along with flips suggestion of 3betting a bit bigger pre too.
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    11-09-2011 , 03:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB182
    betting once on this flop against this kind of player is an absolute waste of money, the only hands he potentially folds to one bet on this board texture are hands that you have beat anyway like JTs,QJs. He is never folding any pair (pretty sure he is not folding 44 for example), he is not folding 87s,54s and he is not folding AK,AQ and likely not even KQ.

    so there are 2 ways to play this hand:
    1) check the flop and hope to get SD super cheaply. Lots of weak/non - aggressive players check down hands like AQ,KQ,87s in that spot or potentially bluff once on the river in which case you have to decide between hero calling or just c/f'ing if the board runs out bad.
    2) design a plan to shove a reasonable amount of chips at some point of the hand, preferably the turn in this spot.

    In my opinion, CB the flop slightly bigger and then shipping the turn and by that creating a lot of FE vs the weak parts of his range is wayyyy better than creating dead money on the flop with no real plan on how to play the hand/win the pot on later streets.
    ^^^ yea what alex said.
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    11-09-2011 , 03:49 PM
    Thanks guys.
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