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03-23-2012 , 05:27 AM
Here is a hand which made me confused.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1699065
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SB: $31.51
BB: $34.38
Hero (UTG): $33.90
UTG+1: $11.28
UTG+2: $25.00
MP1: $25.28
MP2: $25.70
CO: $25.49
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, 2 folds, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.60) 2 T J (3 players)
Hero bets $1.53, UTG+2 calls $1.53, CO calls $1.53

Turn: ($7.19) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3, UTG+2 raises to $22.72 all in, CO calls $19.72, Hero?

UTG+2 is solid, wining reg 15/14/3. CO is fish, sth like 29/4/0.8. I called fish raise assuming that he has some top pair type hands and he is going to pay me more otr, but was a bit coutious with reg in the hand. When UTG+2 shoves and CO calls, my firsts thoughts are that I'm crushed by one of them. What do u guys think? (also flop sizing is a bit small)
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03-23-2012 , 05:32 AM
bet turn
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03-23-2012 , 06:17 AM
Bet turn, as played turn is a fold...
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03-23-2012 , 08:23 AM
Is the turn a clear bet against UTG+2? The guys range is PP`s and if hes solid hes probably not floating with a player to act behind. Really his range for the turn at its very widest is 22/TT/JJ/QQ and AKs.

I think the turn is a clear check/fold multi way once the reg has called our flop bet. On that note though i think bet/fold is far better than check/call for the same reason the reg acts after us.
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03-23-2012 , 08:36 AM
IMO b/f>c/f>c/c>c/r>b/c

and utg+2 range on the flop is mighty strong here, QQ-KK and AKs and rarely AQs and also some sets he is slowplaying to get action from a fish. OTT its a b/f to get value from overpairs and draws, when he shoves, he's range is almost always only sets here, so fold is good.
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03-23-2012 , 10:42 AM
Yeah flop should be like at least a $2 bet.

I can understand not betting the turn. It bloats the pot where a one pair hand isn't very strong. When called by two players OOP, I think check call mode is okay.

Peculiar play by the reg. He can have tons of obvious value hands here (sets, 2pair, straight). Worst hands I see him do this with are AhJh, KhQh, QQ or 99.

If he's smart, he'll know you have a hand that can't call a raise on the turn because you didn't bet. So his value range may be wider because he assumes fish will call him wider while you'll always fold.

I think a fold as played is correct, although I think occasionally you'll have folded the best hand (but not enough of the time)
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03-23-2012 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Is the turn a clear bet against UTG+2?
Because there's fish left to act behind pre and that OP said reg was solid there should be some QQ/KK/AA in his range no?

As for hand I would b/f OTT 5.25-5.50.

As played it's really confusing and weird because if the reg is solid like you say, there's no way he should ever be checking a decent hand OTT with a fish still in it.

I understand your first thoughts are that you're crushed but.. the regs line makes me think you're ahead of him, and the fish could be calling his ship with TP thinking the reg is shoving a draw...

Interesting hand and I don't think folding or calling is all that bad here
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03-23-2012 , 06:49 PM
Thank you for your responses. I check/folded turn. Results were not surprizing, because reg leveled me, but not fish
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03-23-2012 , 07:01 PM
I would fold the turn and I wouldn't need to think about it much, I don't see this guy x/r turn into 2 players with much we beat and certainly not with a range we beat.
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03-24-2012 , 06:57 AM
More on the flop. B/f the turn. As played insta fold.
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03-24-2012 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Is the turn a clear bet against UTG+2? The guys range is PP`s and if hes solid hes probably not floating with a player to act behind. Really his range for the turn at its very widest is 22/TT/JJ/QQ and AKs.
You do assign some bizarrely tight ranges and you say this is his absolute widest! Of course the reg can have wider than this. You think he honestly folds the flop with KK/KQ/AQ/TJ/AsQs etc. Even a lot of AK is gonna float this flop with 10 outs. I mean yeah you can argue he will raise TJ otf and KK pre but you get my point. To insta put him on sets and monster draws because he floated the flop is pretty lol.
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03-24-2012 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NJD77
You do assign some bizarrely tight ranges and you say this is his absolute widest! Of course the reg can have wider than this. You think he honestly folds the flop with KK/KQ/AQ/TJ/AsQs etc. Even a lot of AK is gonna float this flop with 10 outs. I mean yeah you can argue he will raise TJ otf and KK pre but you get my point. To insta put him on sets and monster draws because he floated the flop is pretty lol.
Just going on his stats. obviously we dont have a sample size but the guy isnt cold calling a lot which suggests a tight cold calling range. Given the positions i expect it to be at its tightest if he is a good solid reg. We would probably know more if we had his 3bet stat as well. Its like TJ and KQ are debatable whether they are even in his range here.

This has actually got me thinking with the range you mentioned as i know a lot of good solid players that if they were in UTG+2 position would fold hands like KQ/AQo/TJ and a lot of PPs. Am i doing it wrong thinking of making the same folds or are they folding simply for the reason that they could get squeezed? But then again they should be protected against been squeezed because its an open from EP in which case are they folding because theres a chance they end up multi way OOP?

Last edited by MartL; 03-24-2012 at 07:22 AM.
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03-24-2012 , 07:52 AM
Sorry I didn't look at the HH properly. I agree TJ isn't in his range here. KQs is though as well as AQs and AKo.
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03-24-2012 , 08:14 AM
turn is a clear b/f
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