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08-28-2011 , 07:55 AM
Villain is 15/9/0 over 46 hands

When both players checked the flop, I decided to take a stab at it since board is dry, preflop aggressor showed no further interest and I'm very unlikely to improve or win this one without a bluff.
When Villain called flopped and checked turn, I put him on a big jack, JT, QJ, AJ or QT and decided to fire again. When he called turn and checked the river, I thought he has either J or K (or QT), since stronger hands would've been played more aggressively on flop or turn to get value. If he hit the King, I might not be able to move him off the hand, if he has a Jack this should be no problem with any reasonable sized bet, as long as he isn't very fishy. With the size of my bet this should be +EV if he has the J a little more than about 1/3 of times.

Betting flop seems fine to me, should be largely +ev.
Would you've bet the turn or given up the hand right there? Barreling the river after checking the turn wouldn't move him of the jack, so check = give up.
Would you've bet the river?
Would you've chosen other bet sizes?

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10445012

    Hero (MP3): $39.81 (159.2 bb)
    CO: $6.47 (25.9 bb)
    BTN: $11.70 (46.8 bb)
    SB: $31.85 (127.4 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $21.83 (87.3 bb)
    UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
    MP1: $21 (84 bb)
    MP2: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 5
    2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 4 folds

    Flop: ($2.60) J K 7 (3 players)
    MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.50, MP1 calls $1.50, MP2 folds

    Turn: ($5.60) 2 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50

    River: ($10.60) 6 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $6.50, MP1 calls $6.50




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    Last edited by YNC; 08-28-2011 at 08:00 AM.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 08:43 AM
    I'm not sure that QJ/QT/JT is in his MP1 standard pfr range.

    I won't barrel bluff KJx flop vs 2 villains, it's just too expensive.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 08:50 AM
    Even though his stacksize says not reg 15/9 is pretty tight.

    I like your sizing OTF but once MP1 c/ calls the flop I've put him on QQ and Jx.

    More OTT, I like 4$ OTT to get him to fold Jx and QQ.

    Now the only problem with barreling river after you barrel turn and get called is that this player could just be a passive reg and thought he didn't want to bet his K10 or whatever and decided to check instead.

    I think with your sizing OTT I would be betting like 8$ OTR but if he called a proper sizing OTT I'm more likely to check back OTR.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 09:04 AM
    Yeah, I also thought my turn bet might have been a little too small.

    But another problem: It's 25NL and I have relatively small info on villain, he might not even lay down Jx or QQ and 2 or 3barreling loses a lot in value at these levels. As I just started with Cash Games, I'm not experienced enough to judge how likely it is to face such behaviour (without further info on Villain). The little stats I had didn't suggest he's a station.

    Maybe I should've just given up after the flop saving 2 or 3 barrels for situations where I have more info on Villain.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 09:08 AM
    His stack size makes me think he's a fish which I'll ask, how many tables was he playing?

    I wouldn't even bluff flop if it was a fish and would just check behind, multi-way with 2 broadways against a fish means do not bluff.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 09:16 AM
    Oh that's a good point, 21$ looks suspicious as a reg would probably have auto-rebuy enabled if he decides to play with max stack. I didn't think about that, now checking the flop seems better to me
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 11:12 AM
    stabbing otf is good here imo. i would give up ott though. we have no reads, villain called on a dry board (he prolly has a made hand Jx, QQ, Kx and slowplayed monsters or stuff like AQ) with MP2 yet to act. also sizing ott-otr is too little. i would stab once and be done vs. unknown in this pot tbh.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 02:03 PM
    check & give up ott imo... his stack size is 84bb & he just c/called repping a hand he should of bet for value or jx & if hes c/calling hes a idiot who probably dont know how to fold or is aware of events around him... i pretty much check back these flops in these spots as it hits a 15/9 range so much, no clue why he dont bet but whatever

    0.02
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 02:14 PM
    I don't mind stabbing the flop.

    The turn is as blank as it can get, so usually, if he was check-calling the flop, nothing happened to worry him too much more, so chances are he's gonna check-call the turn again........so, if we are barrelling the turn we are cornering ourself into having to fire the third to get him off AJ/QJ/weak Kings etc. I'm not a massive fan of trying to move unknowns off medium-to-slightly-strong hands, especially when nothing develops on the board to scare them, but if you are going to attempt it, you have to bet bigger. With the bet sizes you've made, you're just allowing him to call you down with the best hand.

    So, either:

    a) check back turn, give up, (preferred in this spot).
    b) bet big on turn and bigger on river, but not against unknowns.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 06:41 PM
    u call preflop for setvalue. if u dont hit your set just check behind, you got posi.

    if u want to make a bet on the flop u better bet 1,75 - 2,00 so u get a real answer and no calls from hands like AJ.

    u get a call on the flop, give up if u dont improve. there are not that many darws so u might be beat.

    betting >1/2 pot on the turn is just wasted money. and 3barrel is crap on nl25 AND against a fish who might call you with 88. bluffplay no pay
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 08:47 PM
    Making a stab on the flop is good. The only thing you can beat when one villain calls is a straight draw. Firing the turn and getting called meant villain had a pair that was better than yours, or he was still hoping to hit his draw. Since the straight wasn't completed on the river, it was pointless to bet again as you had some showdown value. He'd only call with a hand that beat you.
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-28-2011 , 09:00 PM
    Losing 50BB with a 3 barrel bluff seems ******ed when you dont have any reads...c/f this flop in a 3handed pot
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-29-2011 , 03:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BeenAWhile
    Losing 50BB with a 3 barrel bluff seems ******ed when you dont have any reads...c/f this flop in a 3handed pot
    /thread
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-29-2011 , 03:51 AM
    ^^ exactly, anybody who c/calls is a tard here, no reason why you even can put him on a hand muchless think he folds it
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote
    08-30-2011 , 11:17 AM
    Yeah I got it
    NL25 - 3 barrel Quote

          
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