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10-27-2014 , 12:38 AM
Just getting back into poker. How's my play with this flopped 2-p ?

Was betting on the flop and turn a bit low? Was pushing okay?

Thanks in advance.

edit: This is Zoom, and I dove into NL25 only 20 hands prior - so no reads at all.


    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32098862

    BTN: $12.74 (51 bb)
    SB: $26.02 (104.1 bb)
    BB: $7.16 (28.6 bb)
    UTG+1: $26.10 (104.4 bb)
    UTG+2: $39.32 (157.3 bb)
    MP1: $73.03 (292.1 bb)
    Hero (MP2): $28.79 (115.2 bb)
    MP3: $8.96 (35.8 bb)
    CO: $13 (52 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K Q
    UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

    Flop: ($3.25) Q K 3 (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.55, BTN folds, SB calls $1.55, UTG+1 folds

    Turn: ($6.35) 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.03, SB raises to $15.25, Hero raises to $26.49 and is all-in, SB calls $8.47

    River: ($53.79) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $53.79 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: Q K 3 6 3
    SB showed K 6 and lost (-$26.02 net)
    Hero showed K Q and won $51.79 ($25.77 net)



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    Last edited by Facegriller; 10-27-2014 at 12:46 AM.
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-27-2014 , 03:14 AM
    fold preflop
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    10-27-2014 , 01:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by utgboy
    fold preflop
    +1.

    As played, folding turn. It was 4way to the flop, and although there's not a lot of combos, that beat you, I think 33 and 66 are massive parts of his range here. Yeah, villain's sizing looks kinda fishy, but I'm thinking, he's just overly excited about his set most of the times.
    ...at least that's my reasoning on a regular NL25 table, but I'd probably apply it to Zoom.

    Sizing-wise, yeah that's on the low side. But on the other hand, you're blocking hands that can call you quite heavily, so I guess it's not terrible to bet half pot. I'd still rather go for standard 2/3 pot.
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    10-27-2014 , 09:58 PM
    Can't really disagree with what's already been said, fish may try this line w/ AK at my level, but in a limped pot at NL25 against an unknown I wouldn't really be expecting it. With the turn raise we don't beat enough of his perceived range to continue
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-29-2014 , 09:20 AM
    Fold/3bet PF, depends on the villian, but as played, calling, we're only beat by 33.
    Quote:
    think 33 and 66 are massive parts of his range here. Yeah, villain's sizing looks kinda fishy, but I'm thinking, he's just overly excited about his set most of the times.
    Do you really think he calls flop with 66 on this board ? If he's fish, yeah he sometimes might call with 66, but then we need to add more hand to his range, like K6 as showed, Q6, stupid played AK, Qx with hearts. QQ/KK is almost impossible, so only 33, but you can't fold.
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-29-2014 , 09:25 AM
    Would it make more sense to just call on the river instead of raising and polarising villains range?
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-30-2014 , 02:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Claymicro
    Fold/3bet PF, depends on the villian, but as played, calling, we're only beat by 33.

    Do you really think he calls flop with 66 on this board ? If he's fish, yeah he sometimes might call with 66, but then we need to add more hand to his range, like K6 as showed, Q6, stupid played AK, Qx with hearts. QQ/KK is almost impossible, so only 33, but you can't fold.
    This was similar to my reasoning. If I'm worried about a set, then KK / QQ are unlikely as I see two of each already. It would be hard for him to call the Flop C-bet with 66 with this board... though I think my low bet size makes it more possible.

    So that leaves 33. Then I have to figure if it's 33 or all the other hands in the range.

    And that figures into my turn All-In. After his turn 3B, I'm practically all-in if I call anyways, and I don't think I can fold given my analysis above.

    My main concern was the bet sizing for my flop and turn bets - that's what really haunted me afterwards.

    And yes, the unexpected suggestion to fold pre... well, I'm up against an UTG raiser, so smooth calling was probably not the best option. I like Clay's suggestion of either fold or 3bet depending... but I had no reads, so the default should have been fold.

    Thanks folks.
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-30-2014 , 06:52 AM
    Looks completely fine against an unknown at these limits to me.
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-30-2014 , 07:49 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tavore93
    in a limped pot at NL25 against an unknown I wouldn't really be expecting it
    [ ] limped pot
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-30-2014 , 07:51 PM
    My bad I meant SB's calling range here
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-31-2014 , 02:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Claymicro
    Do you really think he calls flop with 66 on this board ? If he's fish, yeah he sometimes might call with 66, but then we need to add more hand to his range, like K6 as showed, Q6, stupid played AK, Qx with hearts. QQ/KK is almost impossible, so only 33, but you can't fold.
    Just because he's an idiot who can have 33 doesn't make him an idiot who will play Q6 or K6 so fast. DUCY?
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-31-2014 , 08:00 AM
    3bet or fold preflop.
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-31-2014 , 02:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2+8
    3bet or fold preflop.
    yeah, that's what i thought myself too, by 3betting we are playing against his more merged range and our hand plays better when 3betting rather than just calling
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    10-31-2014 , 08:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guy1932
    by 3betting we are playing against his more merged range
    What do you mean by this?
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    11-01-2014 , 04:45 AM
    I mean we are playing against top x% of his range and our hand plays better here and is less dominated
    NL25 2 pair Quote
    11-01-2014 , 10:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guy1932
    I mean we are playing against top x% of his range and our hand plays better here and is less dominated
    Presumably you mean his calling range? So how is that playing against his merged range?? Fwiw, I think a calling range here may dominate us alot of the time.
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    11-01-2014 , 10:49 PM
    When we 3b preflop here, it's as a bluff with blockers. By 3betting it, we will only get them to (usually) continue hands which beat us, it's as simple as that.

    It's not a callable hand v EP ever, so it's a good one to 3b bluff if you think they fold wide enough.
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