Results don't matter but here you go anyway...

lol...

yea the results of one specific hand don't matter but i was curious as to why you posted this hand and i thought that the results might give me some insight...you seemed to be sure that worse hands bets so I was thinking whats the point of posting this hand unless you value cut yourself.

id prob shove but calling is the best play for sure people just dont defend worse queens and this line is almost never a bluff ( he would have to double float oop for crying out loud)

just saw the results, standard

people saying shove arent thinking about the other guys range and just their hand, esp bad players are going to have supper polarized ranges here shoving is pretty bad

Yeah I asked myself here if I had air could I bluff-shove to possibly fold out a J and I basically expected to get looked up there for the same reasons as you mentioned so that made a shove feel a lot better in my mind.

Nah I posts probably close to 50/50 whether I win or lose. Results don't matter, if I shove here and get called light I prob would still post wondering if it was too thin and if I ran into the bottom of his range. I just post spots I think are either close, or where I just feel lost, regardless of if I win them or not.

You'd probably shove but shoving is pretty bad? And villain is def not "super polarized" here. How can he even be polarized when you said he is never bluffing here? If he is super-polarized and never bluffing then this is an easy fold right?

I said id shove it would be because im not paying attention and just looking at my hand and the size of he bet. why would u say hes not polarized here at all, you really think hes just leading the river with middle pair? calling is porfitable hes probably going to have enough worse hands for value with his sizing, although like i said earlier i think his range is relatively polarized. the shove is bad cuz theres no way hes calling with worse more than half of the time. The thing about polarization, you have a good point but saying someone is polarized has nothing to do with the frequencies of bluffing or having the nuts, it just means that those are the main parts of his range. folding here is better than shoving i think because folding is zero ev and shoving is - ev unless he calls more than half the time and im really not convinced thats happening. (esp when thwe flush comes on the river)

Oh okay my mistake about saying you called it a shove.

You are right in that polarization doesn't matter if he has air. I just don't think you can call him super polarized here. You're now saying he is slightly polarized which I agree with but people are always slightly polarized unless they are betting close to 100% of their range.

Also my shove doesn't have to get called by worse 50%, I have to be ahead of 50% of his calling range, I'm pretty sure this is what you meant though.

I think it is a lot closer than you give it credit for given that I've been playing aggressively and that he hasn't gotten to showdown. Again, I've said this before, I think his river lead size weights his range to Qx, Jx and the straight and I would expect better Qx and straights on flop or turn. In a vacuum I don't like the shove but given the circumstances I think I am prob ahead enough when called.

i think we're in agreement villain's line is absolutely ******ed with his entire range amirite? given that, i think he's bad and is MUCH more likely to call a shove w/ a worse hand than a thinking player.

what hands specifically can you see him calling a shove with?

Any Qx, most Jx, flush, straight, boats.

Yea I definitely agree his line is v bad. I just dont think in this spot it translates to him calling with much worse because i don't believe he plays much worse hands like this very often at all.

I just realized that we can go on forever arguing whether he could have qx or jx but none of us have enough information to determine what his range really could be. Given that, I think a call is much better to help us solidify a read on what the hell he is doing with a line like this.