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01-17-2010 , 07:14 PM
Relevant reads are villain is a call station (calls down with bottom pair sometimes) and can c/r with air, draws or tp.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($495.75)
BB ($627.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 5
Hero bets $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12) 10, 5, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $26, Hero ...


I find that I tend to flat on these wet boards because the board is inevitably going to get worse, so I want to at least improve my equity by letting a blank fall on the turn before I put more money in this deep. It also saves me from getting in ugly situations. For example, if I reraise and a spade comes on the turn, do I check behind or bet? If I check behind and he bets river big, wtf do I do?

If the turn wasn't a blank, I'd probably just go into call down mode and lose the minimum.

Is my logic good or bad? Who likes a flat here and who likes a reraise? Any discussion is welcome.
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01-17-2010 , 07:36 PM
I think I almost never flat in here if he's range is air/overpair/tp/draw. If he has TPGK/overpair ure getting a lot of value from this kind of hands, because he's likely to put u on a draw and ship (and if u flat and turn comes scary it's not good for both of u). If he has a draw, you just want to 3bet big and get it in when ur're ahead. If he has air, not a big deal, he's gonna fold anyway but also he can bluff you out some percentage of the time if he reads well.
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01-17-2010 , 07:42 PM
I'm usually raising here especially if he's C/R'ing alot of TP's. There are a ton of draws to charge and not many hands he should have in his BB defense range that have us beat here assuming he 3b's 77 and TT at least sometimes.

PS: you're 250bb deep not 200. More reads would also be nice. Does he flat the flop 3b here w/ TPTK type hands? does he 4b jam big draws or flat? What are his tendencies on later streets? All that stuff plays into the line you should take
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01-17-2010 , 08:17 PM
I'd make it $89
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01-17-2010 , 09:40 PM
3 bet.
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01-17-2010 , 10:09 PM
meh..if u 3bet and get 4bet its a ****ty spot, you probably cant fold vs a range of combo draws and sets which you dont like. flatting is lower variance and if hes c/ring tp, air and draws here you probably get more value by flatting and letting him barrel rather than 3betting the flop which will make him fold air, most draws and top pairs. you dont go broke when your against a set or big draw that hits
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01-17-2010 , 10:50 PM
3bet. you're too deep to slow play 2 pairs, especially vs a calling station. if you flat he's less likely to push his semibluffs on later streets, and you're not comfortable if you get all in on the river with that hand...
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01-17-2010 , 11:05 PM
The fact that he sucks and is stationy plays a big role in making this a 3bet here (as opposed to better players where their range for 4betting/calling your 3bet will be a lot stronger than a fish who sees AA or maybe even AT as the nuts here).
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01-17-2010 , 11:16 PM
the fact that he said he is a station didnt really mean much to me, as i doubt this spot has been seen before and even stations arent stacking off tp here. if he will c/r and then flat a 3bet on flop w/ QT and not fold on a blank turn, or flat a naked flush draw and c/f blank turn, etc then go for it
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01-18-2010 , 01:13 AM
3betting here is clearly the best play vs a guy like this because he will go to the felt with hands you have crushed as well as draws with good equity. Vs a better player who isn't going to get stacks in with JJ/Tx ect here i may consider alternate plays as his range for geting it in will do a lot better vs our hand.
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01-18-2010 , 01:45 AM
I 3bet here. It is a really really ****ty spot to get 4bet but I don't expect to get 4bet here often at all.
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01-18-2010 , 01:56 AM
I 3 bet and if he 4 bets I close my eyes and shove....weeeeeeeeeeeee
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01-18-2010 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Barge Ass
I 3 bet and if he 4 bets I close my eyes and shove....weeeeeeeeeeeee
lol, what if you hit the fold button by accident instead of shoving? shove/then close eyes /thread.
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