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02-21-2012 , 01:59 PM
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he folds = we had the best hand

y u so stupid
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02-21-2012 , 06:04 PM
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I'm in the 4bet pre or call turn camp.

You didn't 4bet because you think you fold out to much of his range, leaving your KK in a less +ev shape than calling and playing against his complete range.

Furthermore you are perceived as 28vpip lag that isn't folding very often to 3bets, and I guess you called most min3bets instead of folding. So your hand here looks like 99-JJ,TP+NFD which villain seems to beat by doublebarreling that big. You lose to his AA combos, win against his QQ combos and profit by any semibluff-2barreling.

I guess it's mostly the sizing that gave you headache, because otherwise you shouldn't call KK oop anyway?
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02-21-2012 , 06:21 PM
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ummmm... how does raising the flop give you any information at all besides folding out his bluffs?
So u prefer flatting oop on flop and what's your plan for the rest of the hand. Calling flop and c/f turn with KK doesn't seem like a great play in my opinion. I would def c/r flop against this reg I'm pretty sure he won't continue unless he's made. I think history with villian is important here but I don't like c/c line Against what looks to be a competent reg which forces villian to at least double barrel and put me in this tough spot on turn.
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02-21-2012 , 06:21 PM
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call down if its AA then he is just a better player than you ^^
If I had QQ here I would value bet 3 streets vs someone with the stats you just described.

P.S Many result orient in this thread is there
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02-21-2012 , 06:25 PM
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Sorry if I missed it, but did OP ever tell us what his image/stats are and how villain views him??

If not, how can we really know what to do without that information?


If villain is a good reg, and sees us a solid, positionally aware, winning reg...i can see how this can be a fold.
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02-21-2012 , 06:32 PM
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I'm in the 4bet pre or call turn camp.

You didn't 4bet because you think you fold out to much of his range, leaving your KK in a less +ev shape than calling and playing against his complete range.
This.

Isn't the point of just calling w/ KK pre so that we can c/r the flop or turn and own his QQ, JJ, etc.?

Our hand doesn't look like KK, so why would a c/c on the flop slow him down? Further, he may be worried w/ have something like AK suited or AQ suited and is betting big to give us bad odds on our draw.

As played, I'm happy to c/r flop and get it in on the turn. I think we own him a lot here.
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02-21-2012 , 06:38 PM
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His perception of you would be useful.
Last edited by Gewse; 02-21-2012 at 06:58 PM.
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02-21-2012 , 06:38 PM
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Okay this is the biggest problem I have with this hand our hero flats pf reraise to set up villian on flop. He gets a great flop pretty much as good as u could hope for, gets the raise u want and then decides there might be a monster in the closet and starts getting passive. Yes I agree villian may have AA but come on how do u c/c and fold turn here.
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02-21-2012 , 06:43 PM
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Okay this is the biggest problem I have with this hand our hero flats pf reraise to set up villian on flop. He gets a great flop pretty much as good as u could hope for, gets the raise u want and then decides there might be a monster in the closet and starts getting passive. Yes I agree villian may have AA but come on how do u c/c and fold turn here.
cause his ranges change massively between his flop cbet and turn cbet? How is this hard to comprehend?
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02-21-2012 , 06:58 PM
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cause his ranges change massively between his flop cbet and turn cbet? How is this hard to comprehend?
so u reccomend c/c and c/f really is this the best line?
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