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NL20 barelling vs missed cbet NL20 barelling vs missed cbet

11-02-2015 , 02:23 PM
Winamax - €0.20 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 106.1 BB (VPIP: 27.62, PFR: 24.76, 3Bet Preflop: 11.63, Hands: 111)
Hero (BTN): 175.25 BB
SB: 119.75 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 24)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.50, PFR: 14.21, 3Bet Preflop: 2.99, Hands: 385)
UTG: 150.4 BB (VPIP: 35.40, PFR: 28.87, 3Bet Preflop: 18.56, Hands: 309)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 9 5 7
CO checks, Hero bets 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) K
CO checks, Hero bets 9.25 BB

Not fan of my preflop call against this dude, folding is good right ?
Flop i don't he's trapping alot with 99+ so i think i can take down the pot and make fold AQ AK a good amount of time
When he calls flop on what turn do we want to barell ? obv 8 and T, other than that everything < J ? K and Q as well ?
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11-02-2015 , 02:55 PM
Good place to 3 bet bluff pre. V is raising WAY too much and is likely to have a huge opening range from CO. Never a fold from the button. I like a check behind on the flop as we don't have alot that we're repping here.
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11-02-2015 , 04:29 PM
Calling pre is fine. check back the flop, you don't rep anything other than the small chance you hit a set or a weak over pair. You shouldn't have any two pair in your range or any good draws since you're the pre flop caller.

When villain checks the turn you can make a play at King, or re-raise bluff sometimes if he bets on the turn. However villain would have to see that you flat AK sometimes to make it believable. Or you are aggressive enough to re-raise with KQ on a dry board.
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11-02-2015 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sepharim
Calling pre is fine. check back the flop, you don't rep anything other than the small chance you hit a set or a weak over pair. You shouldn't have any two pair in your range or any good draws since you're the pre flop caller.
+1.

I'm actually really not a fan of betting this flop since I think V is c-betting with all his pure garbage, and this leaves a lot of better A high and the like in his range. I think this flop bet very rarely gets a fold.

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
Flop i don't he's trapping alot with 99+ so i think i can take down the pot and make fold AQ AK a good amount of time
I agree it's not that likely that he has it but any of the sets I think are actually squarely in V's range here. TT+ I agree is very unlikely. AQ/AK I think are likely here but I really don't think you'll get many folds at all from these hands unless you barrel turn as well, and I don't think this is a very profitable play
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11-02-2015 , 04:54 PM
Dunno why the stats are wrong, on the time the guy was 16/14 in 66 hands, which change a bit the hand imo

The way i viewed it is that i don't beat that many hands at showdown cause of his strong range, so i went for turning my hand into a bluff, but maybe also should show me that i shouldnt trust that the guy is that tight on such low amout of stats
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11-02-2015 , 04:56 PM
The problem with betting flop also is that we can't pick up any draws and are relying solely on fold equity to win (and actually AJ isn't a terrible hand to try to win at showdown with). It's a quite narrow range of better hands we are hoping to fold - 22-44,AQ,AK,A5,45. It's hard to rep a king, though we put 88,78,67 etc under a lot of pressure (but they obviously can call again) - I don't think by the way that middling cards are good barrel cards in this spot, because his check call range has quite a lot of pair and draw stuff in it... Or at least they're the only hands I can see taking a check call line.

Preflop I'd be 3betting 'for value' but folding to a 4bet.
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11-02-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
Dunno why the stats are wrong, on the time the guy was 16/14 in 66 hands, which change a bit the hand imo

The way i viewed it is that i don't beat that many hands at showdown cause of his strong range, so i went for turning my hand into a bluff, but maybe also should show me that i shouldnt trust that the guy is that tight on such low amout of stats
You need to be able to represent something in order to turn a hand into a bluff. About the best hand you can rep here after flatting pre is TT, maybe JJ.
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11-02-2015 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
Dunno why the stats are wrong, on the time the guy was 16/14 in 66 hands, which change a bit the hand imo

The way i viewed it is that i don't beat that many hands at showdown cause of his strong range, so i went for turning my hand into a bluff, but maybe also should show me that i shouldnt trust that the guy is that tight on such low amout of stats
Yes exactly, 16/14 can easily go either way, at this stage just assign a 'standard' reg range and expect quite a bit of unusual stuff.

Why does he have a strong range after check calling flop and checking turn? If anything his range is capped at like 9T or something. Yes I can't say that really can I but I wouldn't say he was strong here. It's semi wet also so he's less likely to slow play (if that's relevant).

Again think about what hands are best to bluff with - ones which have some outs to improve to a better hand
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11-02-2015 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by E Mo
You need to be able to represent something in order to turn a hand into a bluff. About the best hand you can rep here after flatting pre is TT, maybe JJ.
99,77,55,68 also

Still wouldn't bluff here though cos that's still hard to rep and to get him off a hand may require 3 spewy barrels
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11-02-2015 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
99,77,55,68 also

Still wouldn't bluff here though cos that's still hard to rep and to get him off a hand may require 3 spewy barrels
If V is considering folding AJ OTB I don't think he's playing 68. Also if sets make good bluffs I guess you should just bluff any board cause there's probably a set possibility.
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11-02-2015 , 05:20 PM
as said for nuts TT JJ sets maybe 97s 86s (but not calling in these situation though)
Can get gutshot with 8 and T turn
Talking about his strong range preflop not on the flop (but overinterpreted the stats though)

Still too thin spot i kinda agree
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11-02-2015 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
When he calls flop on what turn do we want to barell ? obv 8 and T
These aren't great cards to barrel actually if villain has a decent x/c range.
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11-02-2015 , 05:33 PM
Easy flat pre BTN vs CO. I don't know how you construct your 3 betting ranges (JJ and KQs being the hands on the cusp) but 77-TT and 87s-QJs is a slam dunk bet on this flop. We should have a very condensed range here and I almost don't care what our actual hand is. So, barrel off with impunity, assuming villain is a thinking player and we still have some outs. Alternatively, sdv is thin if we take x/x/x route.
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