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04-11-2018 , 07:28 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 246.5 BB
SB: 53 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 120 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 119 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 30)
CO: 110 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 6

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 3 T 6
UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, UTG raises to 17 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 4
UTG bets 18.5 BB, Hero calls 18.5 BB

River: (80.5 BB, 2 players) A
UTG checks, Hero bets 41 BB, fold

Hero wins 77.5 BB


Iso pre, we cbet and call his raise. I put him on fd , sets , 78s, 89s, QQ+.

OTR what's the correct size to let him call? I really wanted to bet something like 65% but there aren't many hands that he can call with (busted fd, not many smaller 2p). Also we fold to c/jams as he got sets and AT.

The question comes on what should we do if the river is another T. Do we call If he barrels it once more?
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04-12-2018 , 07:53 AM
Yeah, pretty hard to put villain on a hand that we can get value from. Most hands that bluff raise flop are not calling on the river (we block Ax of spades), and if the villain was value-raising flop, well most of those hands still beat us. It's hard to give them T6/T3/63, after all. Overpairs feel super unlikely as well. A flopped set could in fact be checking river to get one more bet out of our missed spades. Then again checking back aces up on the river feels so wrong that I probably bet small anyway in the hopes the villain was just overvaluing KT or something like that.

If the river's a T and villain bets again, it's pretty tough. I guess I'd rather call with 6x than 99-77 since we block sets and don't block any of the missed straight draws. Then again we do have some Tx ourself on the river, as well as flopped overpairs.
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04-12-2018 , 03:21 PM
Fish can raise flop with top pair hands that may check this river so I think your best size is fine.
Having As OTR is bad if he uses those to bluff. Would fold all rivers I don't improve if he bet again.
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04-12-2018 , 03:27 PM
Spoiler:
CHECK FLOP
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04-12-2018 , 03:29 PM
Well, it's almost a good spot to bet large to look bluffy since you have spades, but if you bet 60-65+ you're close to committing and w/o more info likely won't be called. So betting 20-25 to get calls from Tx on the whole will likely yield more value than the larger bet size. If you had some decent second best 2 pair hands out there, then betting larger would be the better option.
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04-12-2018 , 03:31 PM
Generally would check back flop along with some of my other Axss combos, although I prefer betting against a fish.

I think I'd go slightly larger OTR but it seems well played.

Would not call river on a T. It's 2NL, people don't bluff, we're somewhat low in our range, and even if villain did bluff we have the A and block a lot of relevant draws.
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04-12-2018 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Generally would check back flop along with some of my other Axss combos, although I prefer betting against a fish.

I think I'd go slightly larger OTR but it seems well played.

Would not call river on a T. It's 2NL, people don't bluff, we're somewhat low in our range, and even if villain did bluff we have the A and block a lot of relevant draws.
Are we checking back flop to allow villain to draw to 2nd best or because a bet doesn't get enough folds? Or another reason? I'd normally do what KingCobain did and bet out here, why would we check it back?

Cheers
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04-13-2018 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Feldheimer1
Are we checking back flop to allow villain to draw to 2nd best or because a bet doesn't get enough folds? Or another reason? I'd normally do what KingCobain did and bet out here, why would we check it back?

Cheers
Couple of different reasons.

* We're not going to get three streets of value unimproved.

* Correspondingly, we don't mind checking with hands that have somewhat stable SDV.

* We should have a fairly large checking range HU on a Txx board when we're the PFR, although I'm not sure if it's that relevant when villain is a fish. It's why I don't mind betting in OP's spot, but if BB had called instead and UTG had folded, I would check back flop 100%.

* In line with the point above, we want to be careful about capping ourselves when we check back, and so in this spot people usually have some flush draws in their checkback range. If you only check back, I dunno, 99-77 and some Tx's, then have fun calling down Tx on runouts after checking back flop where you feel like folding every hand in your range.

Betting all of our flush draws on this flop is clearly +EV, but it comes at the expense of hurting the EV of our checking range.
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04-13-2018 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Couple of different reasons.

* We're not going to get three streets of value unimproved.

* Correspondingly, we don't mind checking with hands that have somewhat stable SDV.

* We should have a fairly large checking range HU on a Txx board when we're the PFR, although I'm not sure if it's that relevant when villain is a fish. It's why I don't mind betting in OP's spot, but if BB had called instead and UTG had folded, I would check back flop 100%.

* In line with the point above, we want to be careful about capping ourselves when we check back, and so in this spot people usually have some flush draws in their checkback range. If you only check back, I dunno, 99-77 and some Tx's, then have fun calling down Tx on runouts after checking back flop where you feel like folding every hand in your range.

Betting all of our flush draws on this flop is clearly +EV, but it comes at the expense of hurting the EV of our checking range.
To add to this, there aren't that many cards which are bad for us, so we don't need to worry about protection.
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04-14-2018 , 07:01 AM
* We should have a fairly large checking range HU on a Txx board when we're the PFR, although I'm not sure if it's that relevant when villain is a fish. It's why I don't mind betting in OP's spot, but if BB had called instead and UTG had folded, I would check back flop 100%.

How about as 1st to act? Say the positions were swapped and we bet/call with A6 and this flop comes. Do we share this similar mindset vs a 3-bettor who has similar stats or is an aggressive line better?
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