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NL2 Did i play these AK hands wrong? NL2 Did i play these AK hands wrong?

10-17-2019 , 04:50 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hello guys could you help me with these hands?


Flop: I bet small to get value from his Pairs
Turn: I bet half pot for value against his pairs/FD? He then checks raises me
i mainly put him on a Kx or FD. I just call.
River: I mainly put him on a Kx and wanted to get value. So I bet the turn.

Was the river play correct or should I check to let him bluff the river?

Hero (UTG): 100 BB
CO: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 22.30, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.98, Hands: 282)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A
Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop : (7.5 BB, 2 players) 7 K K
Hero bets 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB

Turn : (12.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 6 BB, CO raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River : (50.5 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 25 BB, fold

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

So im a little confused how I should play these Ak hands out of position.
Should I just Cbet small on these low card boards? or check call? I usually cbet if i have a backdoor FD or SD. COuld you guys give me some tips ?



MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (SB): 136.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A
fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12.5 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop : (26 BB, 2 players) 2 7 9
Hero checks, MP bets 12.5 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Turn : (51 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, MP bets 24.5 BB, fold

MP wins 49 BB
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10-17-2019 , 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwokc
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hello guys could you help me with these hands?


Flop: I bet small to get value from his Pairs
Turn: I bet half pot for value against his pairs/FD? He then checks raises me
i mainly put him on a Kx or FD. I just call.
River: I mainly put him on a Kx and wanted to get value. So I bet the turn.

Was the river play correct or should I check to let him bluff the river?

Hero (UTG): 100 BB
CO: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 22.30, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.98, Hands: 282)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A
Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop : (7.5 BB, 2 players) 7 K K
Hero bets 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB

Turn : (12.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 6 BB, CO raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River : (50.5 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 25 BB, fold

----------------------------------------------------------------

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

So im a little confused how I should play these Ak hands out of position.
Should I just Cbet small on these low card boards? or check call? I usually cbet if i have a backdoor FD or SD. COuld you guys give me some tips ?



MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (SB): 136.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A
fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12.5 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop : (26 BB, 2 players) 2 7 9
Hero checks, MP bets 12.5 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Turn : (51 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, MP bets 24.5 BB, fold

MP wins 49 BB
h1 you can polarize your range on turn. Once we've flatted him on turn, villain himself has represented Kx / boat / or a bluff, so it doesn't make sense to lead because bluffs will not put any more money into the pot if you lead, and his Kx should bet river, so you can stack them by checkraising. We gain the least amount of money with this line.
h2 if you are going to fold turn when you pick up a flush draw, you might as well check fold flop. C-bet with this combo on flop, double barrel on spade turn. Think about this : if we're going to call a bet on flop with AK high and backdoor flush draw, what is the downside to betting? If villain raises us, we can just fold AK high with a backdoor. We are not automatically c-betting with our missed AK high, but this is a good one to start betting.

Last edited by amazin lazer; 10-17-2019 at 05:13 PM.
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10-17-2019 , 05:51 PM
one general meta thing for you to consider : you didn't cold call in the SB, you used a good sizing to 3-bet, that is great! SB 3b vs IP defend in 3-bet pot, our mode is to be on the attack. We are punishing villain for trying to realize equity / showdown value efficiently against us by having positon on us. We are going to lose from this position, it is almost guaranteed over a large sample. Our objective is to lose as little as possible, so that means we will have to fire at villain with hands that villain himself should probably check back. This is not meant as an insult, but this line that you took, this is what we want our opponents to do, we want them to check call flops and check fold their equity on turn. Our strategy should be to put our opponent in position on the backfoot so that they can't control the pace of the hand / get to showdowns cheaply with marginal hands.
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10-17-2019 , 06:35 PM
[QUOTE= We are not automatically c-betting with our missed AK high, but this is a good one to start betting.[/QUOTE]

On which kind of boards would you cbet the flop? And how large would you usually cbet? And if you dont improve on the turn would you just check/fold?
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10-17-2019 , 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amazin lazer
one general meta thing for you to consider : you didn't cold call in the SB, you used a good sizing to 3-bet, that is great! SB 3b vs IP defend in 3-bet pot, our mode is to be on the attack. We are punishing villain for trying to realize equity / showdown value efficiently against us by having positon on us. We are going to lose from this position, it is almost guaranteed over a large sample. Our objective is to lose as little as possible, so that means we will have to fire at villain with hands that villain himself should probably check back. This is not meant as an insult, but this line that you took, this is what we want our opponents to do, we want them to check call flops and check fold their equity on turn. Our strategy should be to put our opponent in position on the backfoot so that they can't control the pace of the hand / get to showdowns cheaply with marginal hands.
Thanks you very much for your advice this is wat i needed ! Yeah usually I play to passive.
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10-17-2019 , 06:44 PM
our range favors 1-2 broadway especially A and K high boards, but lots of boards are good for us. Even a board like 972 two tone, what nutted combinations does villain have that we do not? He shouldn't be opening 97, raise calling a lot of 9x vs 3bet, or raise calling 22, so villain only has 3 combos of 77 that we do not, aside from that, we still have all overpairs, good concentration of high equity draws.

Boards that are death for SB are probably the ones that you would suspect : JT8 QJ8 T98 T97 876 boards like this will require us to proceed with caution more often, so like monotone or 2 tone middling boards are pretty much the nut worst to start barreling unselectively.

you can split your range with sizes if you want, but I try to play in a more uncomplicated manner and generally will just range c-bet small sizing on good boards for SB range, which is a lot, because IP has capped their range by calling our 3-bet.

if we don't improve, we're going to be check folding some turns, but the instant profitability of the c-bet, combined with our ability to realize our equity cheaply if villain does not raise, makes an aggressive c-bet strategy profitable in this spot. That is not even considering the times when we have AA-99 and get villain to put in money with considerably worse from the flop.

Last edited by amazin lazer; 10-17-2019 at 06:56 PM.
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