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08-21-2021 , 02:43 PM

LiesLiesLies

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Close spot imo. Checked flop cause Queens get there and can't get value from anything else except maybe if I bet small for AK gutshot to call. Idk about turn, do people just go crazy here and bluff their AK, maybe he sometimes calls pre with kings too and does this ott?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 127.5 BB
BB: 103 BB
Hero (UTG): 202 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 177.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero raises to 29 BB, fold, BB calls 17 BB

Flop: (61 BB, 2 players) J

BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (61 BB, 2 players) J

BB bets 74 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74 BB

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08-21-2021 , 04:27 PM

Donkeybets

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Even though we have AA our range should have better nut hands, better Q’s and overpairs what about betting 25% pot on the flop? We can get value from AQ, KK and AK may call flop small, if we get 3-bet on the flop we can probably fold?

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08-21-2021 , 05:08 PM

bailashtoreth

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Imo, this is a board that hits a lot of the bb's 4 bet calling range. If that's the case we do not want to x or bet small otf. There are a lot of hands that have a piece of this flop but are still behind. I think we need to bet large otf.

Edit: btw, I believe you are thinking about this hand the wrong way. Hands "get there" on every flop; you should be comparing his range to your range, not his best hands to your specific hand. V is much more likely to have something that can call a flop bet.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 08-21-2021 at 05:25 PM.

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08-21-2021 , 05:28 PM

Donkeybets

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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth

If we bet large on the flop we will have such small amount left behind the hand will be difficult to get away from if villain check shoves flop.

If we bet large arn’t we kind of pricing out AK and the hands we beat? What hands do you think will call a larger bet on the flop that we are ahead of?

Also from my understanding when SPR are smaller we want to bet smaller, so in 3-bet and 4-bet pots I am thinking we can c-bet smaller

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08-21-2021 , 05:51 PM

bailashtoreth

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Originally Posted by Donkeybets

You may be right. We don't have many draws on this board (compared to our nut hands).

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08-21-2021 , 05:57 PM

Donkeybets

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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth

You may be right. We don't have many draws on this board (compared to our nut hands).

Maybe, Im not sure about the scenario myself would like to hear what everyone thinks.

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08-21-2021 , 07:08 PM

Haizemberg93

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Flop is tricky spot. I think small bet/jam and check make sense, not sure which one is the best. I like small bet to put his 99,TT, AK in tough spot and not give them free card. Turn is fine.

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08-21-2021 , 08:15 PM

ChiTownBubba

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Flop is tricky spot. I think small bet/jam and check make sense, not sure which one is the best. I like small bet to put his 99,TT, AK in tough spot and not give them free card. Turn is fine.

I agree. He essentially has 4 nutted combos here (6 on the flop). If he is loose enough to call QJs pre, he is likely also calling KQ/AQ as well which I can't imagine folding at any point in this hand.

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08-21-2021 , 08:43 PM

Unsporting

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Does pre need to be this large

Prob just cbet small and sigh call off a jam

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08-22-2021 , 12:50 AM

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Donkeybets

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after opening equilab I see Hero has almost no range advantage if we give villain a range of TT+, AQ and AK. When we have almost no range advantage we want to be doing a-lot of checking so maybe check flop is best play which hero did. I just prefer to c-bet small in these spots so I don't get probe bet on because of my check and then not fully know where I stand.

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08-22-2021 , 02:19 PM

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TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

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Im pretty sure we should bet betting small high freq OTF, though your 4bet sizing is waay to big preflop. I think at that size he should only play jam or fold pre.

I will check GTO Wizard for you.

Surprisingly it is checking flop more than I thought.

Here is BB defend range pre vs normal size:

Flop:

Turn calling range:

Last edited by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS; 08-22-2021 at 02:26 PM.

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08-22-2021 , 03:30 PM

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LiesLiesLies

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Flop is tricky spot. I think small bet/jam and check make sense, not sure which one is the best. I like small bet to put his 99,TT, AK in tough spot and not give them free card. Turn is fine.

I agree with small bet/check. If we bet small and he shoves what would you do?

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08-22-2021 , 08:48 PM

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Haizemberg93

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You kind have to call it off.

@TD that is sim when BB 3b but this is sqz spot (SB CC PF)

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