PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $11.89 (VPIP: 45.16, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (BTN): $16.26
SB: $33.38 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 26.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
BB: $16.00 (VPIP: 17.31, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
UTG: $63.93 (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 14.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 97)

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has J J

fold, CO raises to $0.48, Hero calls $0.48, fold, BB calls $0.32
His 3% pfr make me decide to flat (mb should even fold jacks?)

Flop: ($1.52, 3 players) 8 2 3
BB checks, CO bets $1.12, Hero calls $1.12, fold
Good flop for JJ, but he might have overpair. Seems like I only beat AK/TT here but I decide to call

Turn: ($3.76, 2 players) 4
CO bets $2.08, Hero ???

Don't fold pre. Even against a 3% range your equity is good enough, and it's unlikely he's only opening 3% as you only have 32 hands on him which is a tiny sample. He's a fish and you have position so I think a call is fine. No need to raise imo, although I'd be happy to get it in with QQ+

Flop is fine too. Most villains will know you should be aggressive and cbet a lot then shut down on the turn.

Turn is your decision really. You have no reads on villain, and he's bet big twice. We know he's very passsive preflop, so can presume that is how he plays postflop too (have you seen him ch/calling postflop a lot?). You're only beating 99-TT, but losing to QQ-AA, and chopping with JJ obv. As painful as it is, I think you can fold turn.

When passive fish show massive strength it's normally time to bail on your 1P hands and I think this is one of those times.

Would call turn and fold to another riverbet. If his range is only ovp it is still a profitable call.

As played:

Turn: ($3.76, 2 players) 4
CO bets $2.08, Hero calls $2.08

River: ($7.92, 2 players) 7
CO checks, Hero checks

CO shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks J J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO wins $7.56

WP + note imo. Like I said it is profitable vs 99+ especially when he don't vbet QQ otr (so when he bets otr we are always beat).

Played absolutely terribly. 3-bet pre, small sample size. All you know is he doesn't raise too many hands, but he can definitely be (and probably is!) raising AJ+/99+. Being such a dumb fish we can be certain he's going to call 3-bets with practically all of his raising range. He's also not going to 4-bet worse hands. 3-bet and c-bet bro. Get value from his high cards and deny him free draws.

VB river 1/2 pot. He's not checking 99/TT with equal frequency to QQ+. Imo he's betting the latter enough that through bayesian inference the majority of his range OTR is 99/TT.

Ignore ^

Why don't you write something with actual substance you ****ing dunce? Which part exactly do you disagree with?

35 hands is nothing. It's enough to label him a fish. It's not even close enough to restrict his range to <5%.

Even if it is 5%:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.816% 48.85% 00.96% 316194324 6243024.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 50.184% 49.22% 00.96% 318570540 6243024.00 { JJ }

This donk is not folding a single hand in that range to a 3-bet. It's very obvious that 3-bet/c-bet is by far your best option versus this range. Setmining is losing tremendous value vs. AQ/AK. You're going to have such good reverse implied odds in your favor. When an A flops, he plays straightforward: you showdown pairs and fold when he bets because he obv has an A. And when A doesn't flop, you either get a fold and deny him >40% of his showdown equity of his overcards or you valuebet him to death.

I disagree with everything you said.

Are you literally making stuff up as you go along? lol. Just terrible and nonsensical as are most of your strat posts.

It's never a 3b pre and we will have a hard time "Absolutely must donk betting" flop IP and if we were donking is terrible anyway unless you want him to only continue with a range that mostly that beat us and to fold all of his broadways.

Not everything btw, I agree with the fact that you say we have a small sample. Also the range you give him is fine. But 3b pre and donkbet flop is just terrible.

I haven't seen you post anything but incomplete sentences and opinions. Go ahead and post something meaningful so I can destroy it.


Let's hear why, sensei.

Lol I misread the hand actually. I thought we were in SB. Super-easy 3-bet preflop then. I don't see how this is even a debate.

River is a 1/2 pot valuebet.

Sorry man, I cannot explain why 1+1=2

But thinking he will call a (decent sized) donkbet with AK/AQ is lol

LOL copout. If you had any actual reasoning behind your play you would explain it.

I misread the hand, sorry. But for the sake of argument let's say we're in SB... if you c/c, you're saying that his betting range > his calling range. Vs. a 45/3 in a 3-way pot, that's just absolutely ridiculous.

I also fail at explaining why the sky is blue, doesn't mean it is not true.

About the donkbet: what that other guy already said. Putting money in pot with when you almost only get called by better.

It's actually pretty simple, you should google it sometime. The air absorbs and re-radiates the white light from the sun. More blue light is scattered than of other colors. I forget the technical terms and exact proportions, but easy enough right?

Your turn.

Here's a very easy train of logic for you to follow. If c/c > bet, his bet range must be wider than his call range.

For a 45/3 in a 3-way pot, is that a probable assumption?

And if the answer to that question is no but you still think betting is -EV, then you're implying you should just c/f. DUCY?

Ranges are the same

In fact I think the chance he bets AK > calls AK. But small chance anyway.

Also you know that you need less % to call a bet than to bet yourself ?

Then it doesn't even matter what you do.

*Technically c/c is better because he can raise OP's and deny you the chance to suckout.

But that's not true. Fish like this don't even c-bet. And when they do they make it like 1/4 - 1/3 pot.

If he has AQ/AK:

1) He can fold and we deny him free cards.
2) He can call with poor equity.

If he has 99+, we win/lose exactly the same amount. And since he's only going to be raising OP's (presumably), we can comfortably bet/fold.

Wrong. This only applies if there is a chance villain checks or folds. In this case, villain checking works against our range.

W/e I'm done here, GL @ tables.

Thanks. You too. You sound pretty butthurt. Relax, it's the internet. We're all *******s here. I hope you learned something though.

Lol