SB: $103.14 (103.1 bb)
BB: $153.18 (153.2 bb)
MP: $138.16 (138.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $109.95 (110 bb)
BTN: $77.48 (77.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
MP raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BB raises to $15, MP calls $12, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($45.50) 4 8 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $22.75, BB folds, MP calls $22.75

Turn: ($91) T (2 players)
MP bets $100.41 and is all-in, Hero folds


EP is a fish whos rather passive so far.
BB is a reg who is kinda straighforward so I expect alot of xF once he checks.
Do you prefer xbh or bet here otf ?

Open fold flop. Jk but srsly dont bet here. If you are betting 100% of your range here that's just rly rly bad, and im pretty sure in a vacuum betting here with 66 no diamond is pretty largely -EV.

Also, if BTN/blinds are regs and are deceny aggro pre with double digit 3b/sqz, just mucking preflop.

Ap turn is lol fold

The second pre-flop call looks close to me.

The flop bet is atrocious. You have black sixes on an all diamond flop in a 3way 3bet pot. When you get called you have basically no equity with this hand. Check flop and give up, unless turn is a 6. And even then you probably shouldn't be pumping the pot too much (even on the 6h; obviously pretty much not at all on the 6d).

Turn is clear fold.



EDIT:

Pre-flop is written weird. Says BB raises to 15 and then the callers call 12. I was thinking the call was 9 more to the callers since 3 was in. With the call, being 12 more to the callers, I think it is a pretty clear fold to the 3bet for you with 66.

I don't think calling preflop is all that +EV unless BB is a really tight squeezer over a decent sample. As played, I'm not sure I stab here in a single raised pot let alone a multiway 3bet pot. Seems like a great board to just xf.

Well, it's a good opportunity to re-work some of your basics because you really shouldn't be in a spot like this.

It's a fold pre and a check on the flop. Just make sure you fully understand why because these are pretty big mistakes.

Fold to the large 3bet pre.
Check flop.

Since everybody says the call pre isnt good that is most likely true. However Im not really sure why.
We are last to act and we have 10x the amount we need to call behind and the fact that a fish is in the pot as well should make it very hard to make the call
-EV ? I agree that the call might be closer than I first thought but please explain why I made a large mistake here ?

Betting flop is probably bad, yes.

Sure... always best to ask questions. You're calling off another 11% of your stack after your initial call and ~14% in total to get involved in this hand. You're not going to turn this into a profitable long term call multi-way. Mayyybe heads up, but the general rule, and this is of course a rough rule is calling single raises w/ 5%-10% of your stack can be profitable. And this becomes increasingly more unprofitable and you need an even smaller percentage of your stack in 3-bet+ pots and multiway. If this were heads up in position, you might get away w/ someone giving up on their hand w/ AK or general bluffs in a 3-bet pot. But MW this is much harder to turn into a profitable situation. You really want to stay as far under 10% as possible. Especially in today's games where it's harder to get paid when you do hit.

The fish doesn't really change the situation enough to warrant a call since it's MW. The only thing you have going for yourself is position.

I hope that helps some.

Thanks for the explaination

I'm sure you know all of that, but it always helps when other people confirm.

Yes for sure, especially when you on a downswing you perceive things pretty strange.

Freak Daddy, does this 5-10% rule apply to most hands roughly or just small pocket pairs?

Thanks

Okay, that was a dumb question I was able to find the answer to. Here is a different question.

You state that calling with this hand becomes increasingly less profitable in 3 bet hands and multiway.

I have had the thought process that when i'm playing multiway or in a 3bet pot with a small pair I have a greater chance of getting paid off when I hit due to more opponents MW / villains stronger range in 3bet pot.

Are you saying that those implied odds do not make up for the equity lost in just winning (without hitting set) against a single opponent open raise and thus qw should be tighter in the amount we call in 3 bet or mw pots?

Thanks for your time, BTW love the drivehud.

Fold to the 3bet preflop. You are pissing your money away without a specific read based reason to call. I used to call 3 bets with any pocket pair. Went from a small loser to a winner by cutting that out. I now only call small pocket pairs vs villains that I know have a range that is hugely dominated by Ax and check fold when they miss.


As played, check fold. Someone will have a diamond in their bigger pair or catch one after they call. Of course they could flop the flush too. Not the hand to be bluffing at.

I'm folding pre vs the 1st open to avoid spot like these.
You really wanna close the action when calling w/PP or be the aggressor (3bet pre)

AP, check flop and give up

So in general, and this is just opinion as I don't have concrete data to back this up, it's harder to get paid hitting sets today, period. Single raised or 3-bet pot. How I make money with small pairs today involves turning a lot of them into bluffs. Thus, someone having a stronger range doesn't really help my cause in this case. Having more than one opponent makes bluffing very hard.

I think in some small stakes / micro stakes games, it can be better to have MW 3-bet pots if your opponents are weak. You're obviously getting more chances for someone to have a strong second best hand when you flop big. But in some better small stakes games and mid stakes, it's pretty difficult to outplay multiple opponents in a re-raised pot. Or at least I'm not good enough to do it w/ 100bb stacks. Add to the fact that people aren't necessarily strong when they are 3-betting today, it's just harder to get paid.

So that's my rant/explanation.

And thanks.. we like Drivehud too. I'm very happy w/ where it's going, and the support on 2+2 has been really amazing. It's a joy and a pleasure to do what you love.

Thank you for your insight