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[NL100] AJo def3b, simple yet NOT! [NL100] AJo def3b, simple yet NOT!

11-25-2011 , 10:48 PM
Early in the match, i don't have info on villain, since i don't track people on NL100.
Several hands in, looks like a nitty reg, folds 80% preflop, opens 80% of buttons, then makes 3bet to $11. He cbets with normal speed, i call withing second, he thinks for 3 seconds and checks, i check back within a second, he snap jams river. And i'm tanking and chatting with him trying to provoke him to reply, he keeps quiet for long (i say - lucky you, nice flush, but how can i fold 9 here, you make no sense):

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Poker Stars
($101)
Hero ($600)

Dealt to Hero A J

Hero raises to $3, raises to $11, Hero calls $8

FLOP ($22) 9 2 9

bets $19.35, Hero calls $19.35

TURN ($60.70) 9 2 9 5

checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($60.70) 9 2 9 5 J

bets $70.65 (AI), Hero sighs
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11-26-2011 , 12:17 PM
muck it and feel good
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11-26-2011 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
muck it and feel good
+1

..I sometimes tilt by calling in spots like this.
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11-26-2011 , 01:04 PM
If you're folding this, next time just fold the flop.
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11-26-2011 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by xyz3
If you're folding this, next time just fold the flop.
+1 I dont think it is a fold
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11-26-2011 , 02:06 PM
I'd call for sure, looks like a spaz bluff especially with the timing.

Don't agree with xyz though
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11-26-2011 , 02:12 PM
I assumed guy was a big fish, and I too often see fish take this line with nuts.

PD says he's a reg I've just read. Kinda assumed he was fish by way hand went down (pot cbet, river jam), looks pretty ******ed.

Maybe I'm wrong, but just think we getting spaz-owned here alot by calling.
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11-26-2011 , 02:23 PM
Also, I would fold flop quite a bit too based on sizing.
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11-26-2011 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SoLost
I'd call for sure, looks like a spaz bluff especially with the timing.

Don't agree with xyz though
Why not?
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11-26-2011 , 03:13 PM
sigh, call

also, lol @ chatting
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11-26-2011 , 03:43 PM
wtf? this is such a turbo snap
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11-26-2011 , 04:42 PM
yeah, I think you`re good here very often, so I´d click call. he can def have worse for value, too.
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11-26-2011 , 04:47 PM
TC, at the moment of play i had a feeling he's been such a huge NIT, and his turn think and check in coupe with him not beeing a great player (i never ever encountered them on NL100) and then ship overbet, usually i see nuts from this type of villains. He has so many flushes in his range and I doubt he would start thinking "oh he doesn't have flush, he rarely has trips, he's got floats and i can't beat A high i shove and push him". I don't understand how it's a turbo snap!
And what's worth for value he has, beeing such a nit? KJ that's it? He would ship trips also i believe, and he would ship QQ+.
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11-26-2011 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
wtf? this is such a turbo snap
glad someone else said this. not even close imo
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11-26-2011 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by xyz3
Why not?
Because not every time we call the flop bet are we gonna have an unknown snap-overshove the river like this after checking turn. Just in general I hate the thought process of 'if you're gonna fold in this spot that doesn't happen very often often, then just fold earlier on in the spot that does happen often'. Just woke up so not sure if that makes sense but should be obvious what I mean.

Still think it's a snap crackle and pop call though

edit: actually my apologies, I was more just disagreeing with the thought process in general. In this specific spot it makes sense to fold flop if you're not calling here (when he snap shoves at least).
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11-26-2011 , 10:50 PM
What is your top range to call river after your call flop and check back turn ? ...
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11-26-2011 , 11:08 PM
Vs 'reg' guess it's a call, for kinda obvious reasons, like you looks super weak, you should never have as strong as AJ here, thus he can v-shove like Jx, and can try and move you off weak perceived range (A high, small pairs). Having said that, don't really think you can fist-pump here vs described nit reg, because him over-jamming river with worse for value is a little bit of a push imo. But like others have said, you call flop, kinda have to call river, top of range, possible vbet worse, people spaz jam bluffs enough apparently.

I was kinda assuming guy was fish, which made me wanna fold, firstly because fish is far more likely to take this weird line with the nuts I think, less likely to realize how weak our range looks, and fish just dont bluff that much. I'm probably being results orientated from having been owned on quite a few occasions by passive fishy players in these spots.
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11-27-2011 , 02:10 AM
Im obv not thrilled about it, but it def. seems like a call
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11-27-2011 , 06:59 AM
so he is a huge nit and you float the flop with A high? wtf is this?
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11-27-2011 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ElOlivio
so he is a huge nit and you float the flop with A high? wtf is this?
+1 @ fold flop vs ~90% pot sized cbet.
As played not gonna fold obv, i expect regs to shove (or bet smaller) QQ+ on that turn regardless if they have a club or not.
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11-27-2011 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
and fish just dont bluff that much.
this is simply not true.
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11-27-2011 , 10:54 AM
lol guys he's not a huge nit, it's early in the match and he's been opening most btns and folding most bb's. that's not nearly enough info for me to fold AJ on this board to a cbet lol, even if it is this size
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11-27-2011 , 05:16 PM
Let's not call this an overshove now.

Btw, I get what you're saying SoLost, and I agree. But yeah I just think it's a valid thought process in this spot.

Also, come on PD, chatting doesn't accomplish anything, I think you are better off spending that time thinking about his ranges etc.
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01-15-2012 , 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jekus
+1 I dont think it is a fold
+2.

Great reply
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01-15-2012 , 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLost
Because not every time we call the flop bet are we gonna have an unknown snap-overshove the river like this after checking turn. Just in general I hate the thought process of 'if you're gonna fold in this spot that doesn't happen very often often, then just fold earlier on in the spot that does happen often'. Just woke up so not sure if that makes sense but should be obvious what I mean.

Still think it's a snap crackle and pop call though

edit: actually my apologies, I was more just disagreeing with the thought process in general. In this specific spot it makes sense to fold flop if you're not calling here (when he snap shoves at least).

Totally agree
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