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nl10 zoom turning AK into a bluff in a 3-bet pot nl10 zoom turning AK into a bluff in a 3-bet pot

11-23-2014 , 10:59 AM
The guy 3-bet me and for some reason i decide to just call.
He checks the flop, so i thought he has A high most of the time or a small pp.
He called the flop.
On the turn i bet bigger, representing a very strong holding like 88 or TT+.
Do you think it is a good bluff ?
I dont think he would play JJ+ like this and also possible he has like an ace too but not sure, so i prefered to take the pot down.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 149.8 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 7.08, Hands: 345)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 24.07, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 54)
BB: 102.2 BB
UTG: 366.2 BB (VPIP: 21.47, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.61, Hands: 504)
MP: 28.6 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 57)
Hero (CO): 155.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) 8 2 3
SB checks, Hero bets 8.1 BB, SB calls 8.1 BB

Turn: (33.2 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 20.9 BB, fold

Hero wins 31.7 BB
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11-23-2014 , 11:04 AM
There is no need to bluff with this hand.
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11-23-2014 , 11:15 AM
true but i thought if i check it back, he would sometimes bluff on the turn but i dont know how often + he got outs, so i just wanted him to fold his stuff + perhaps call with a weaker hand like AQ, he can also have a draw, calling it on the flop, something like 65s, having a gutshot or AsTs and dont want to bet.
Whats about the turn after he called the flop, i did think he has me often beat with marginal things like A3 or 44.
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11-23-2014 , 11:44 AM
Easy check back otf, you aren't folding better. Just look to get to SD as cheap as possible with it.
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11-23-2014 , 12:21 PM
Yeah no, he dosent have 45s, because of the 3-bet i would put him on the range AJ+ and TT+. and if he had one overpair i dont think the he would check otf. so it leaves us with flushdraws. and does want fold on turn either, he has two over cards and a flushdraw gives him about 9-15outs depends on our range. and if you have trips. This time you would got a boat. so his outs are 0. but if he has his 9 outs, and you have trips which is super likly here his implied odds are good enough for a call on the turn.

so yeah just check back and hope for cheap sd, he has a strange line thats for sure.
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11-23-2014 , 12:39 PM
No, this is a 3-bet from SB against CO, lots of light 3-bets could be there, many player 3-bet the most from the SB (me too) agasinst late position openers, so of course he can 3-bet low pocket pairs or suitec connectors.
I dont have much hands from him, but i see it all the time SB 3-bets Bu 4-bets SB folds, i startetd to 4-bet light a little bit more.
Dont know if people makes a huge difference between CO an BU when 3-betting, but i all the time look at huge SB 3-bet numbers and for resteals even more.
Because of this fact, i called here with AK, also was not sure about 4-bet, call here and dont want to fold like Axs, AT-AQ and get the most money, but when checked to me in 3-bet pots they give often up, but like you say with AK i have showdownvalue, so cb is propably better.
Flopchecks seems reasonable but on the turn, i tried to second barrel a little bit more today and it works two times in spots versus SB, one time i cb turn with 55 on a high and bet the river on another ace so i dont like my bluff too much.

Last edited by philkill; 11-23-2014 at 12:48 PM.
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11-23-2014 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Farsta
Yeah no, he dosent have 45s, because of the 3-bet i would put him on the range AJ+ and TT+. and if he had one overpair i dont think the he would check otf. so it leaves us with flushdraws. and does want fold on turn either, he has two over cards and a flushdraw gives him about 9-15outs depends on our range. and if you have trips. This time you would got a boat. so his outs are 0. but if he has his 9 outs, and you have trips which is super likly here his implied odds are good enough for a call on the turn.

so yeah just check back and hope for cheap sd, he has a strange line thats for sure.

If you're pretty confident in a hand read that says he has a fd, then betting the turn for value and checking behind on the river is optimal, no?
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11-23-2014 , 01:04 PM
4b pre
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11-23-2014 , 01:07 PM
may be you're bluffing w/ best hand
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11-23-2014 , 01:13 PM
If he 3bets light then a 4bet , but you sad that already.

I missed to include the low pcoket pairs under 88 could still be in his ranges, But i have super hard to se him 3-bet 45s, however he might have a A3 tough if he 3bet light but then 45s is there aswell. Maybe Villian still has overpairs and dont bet them otp

and bet bigger otf, 1/2 pot gives him the right odds to follow with flushdraws, if your plan is to dubble barreling then i think its fine.

maybe you can take out he lower pocketpairs dubble barreling.
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11-23-2014 , 01:39 PM
No idea why you insist on putting flushdraws in villains range. The common line from regs is to cbet or x/raise them, sometimes x/call if they have SD value to go (like As3s in this instance, but there's no way anyone is folding turn with that hand anyway).
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