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09-18-2019 , 07:00 PM

dubakkur2

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villain is 25/15/ over 1k hands losing TAG
will fold to 3bet 60% of the time

Is this a flop check?
may be 1/3 bet? (aside: nobody was respecting that 1/3 cbet - people started folding after i bumped it to 1/2 pot)

What kind of hand would call a 3bet and raise on that board?
{TT+?, AdXd?, 78s, 55,66,99}?

Would TT+ raise that bet?

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Poker Stars, $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $870.36 (87 bb)
Hero (BB): $2,674.53 (267.5 bb)
MP: $934.22 (93.4 bb)
CO: $934.43 (93.4 bb)
BTN: $1,000 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

2 folds, BTN raises to $30, SB folds, Hero raises to $95, BTN calls $65

Flop: ($195) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $92.48, BTN raises to $350, Hero ??

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09-18-2019 , 08:37 PM

WorldzMine

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On a 974tt board I have solved for this situation the solver 3bet shoves your TT w/ both flush draw blockers 87% of the time and just calls and takes a turn the rest of the time, so 0% folding on the flop. There is a minimal amount of folding without the blockers but still it shoves even those far more often than it calls or folds them.

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09-18-2019 , 11:40 PM

dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

On a 974tt board I have solved for this situation the solver 3bet shoves your TT w/ both flush draw blockers 87% of the time and just calls and takes a turn the rest of the time, so 0% folding on the flop. There is a minimal amount of folding without the blockers but still it shoves even those far more often than it calls or folds them.

WOW. logic please. very counter-intuitive

what was the range assigned to villain in this spot?
974 is not that connected compared to 956 imo

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09-19-2019 , 12:23 AM

DontGoft

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I'd shove, expecting to see AK,77-88,98 and some draws

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09-19-2019 , 12:32 AM

Dennis Erectus

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Originally Posted by DontGoft

I'd shove, expecting to see AK,77-88,98 and some draws

99, 55, 66?

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09-19-2019 , 12:35 AM

dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by DontGoft

I'd shove, expecting to see AK,77-88,98 and some draws

ok see your point

i need one help in ranging this:

guy opens 20% on BTN (checked his RFI positionwise). He folds 60% to 3bet so he calls 40% (AK,AA,KK are 4bets).

so what would be his calling range? 8%? how do we guess here?

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09-19-2019 , 12:50 AM

DontGoft

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20% ? that is low, maybe is a fold

But when I don't have reads I just assume a range, 22+,56s+,Axs+, AT+,KT+,some two gappers (I got some optimal ranges from a book)

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09-19-2019 , 01:01 AM

2019fish2019

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More pre, more flop. AP jam but you can fold if you think he doesnt bluff enough

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09-19-2019 , 01:17 AM

dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019

More pre, more flop. AP jam but you can fold if you think he doesnt bluff enough

thats why i am breaking my head about his 3bet calling ranges.

Does he have more of the bluff/semi bluff combos Ad2d-AdQd, 98s, 97s,T8s etc. Compared to nuts of JJ+,99,55,66,78?

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09-19-2019 , 01:19 AM

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dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by DontGoft

20% ? that is low, maybe is a fold

But when I don't have reads I just assume a range, 22+,56s+,Axs+, AT+,KT+,some two gappers (I got some optimal ranges from a book)

except UTG & SB, the guy opens pretty much the same everywhere!

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09-19-2019 , 01:19 AM

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WorldzMine

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Didn't expect he RFI's 20% OTB, of course. I used my own RFI and 3bet calling range in these positions which is fairly standard, I think.

All pairs, SC's, suited A's and broadways, some higher suited gappers, etc.

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09-19-2019 , 01:24 AM

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dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

even i am surprised. Too nutty nitty ?
then 3betting TT not advisable?
probably fold here?

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09-19-2019 , 01:26 AM

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hard to believe he can play 21/15 if his BTN RFI is 20% did you maybe look at his PFR?

also how do you know he is a losing player`?

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09-19-2019 , 01:33 AM

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dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by Zuko

hard to believe he can play 21/15 if his BTN RFI is 20% did you maybe look at his PFR?

also how do you know he is a losing player`?

oh yeah..that was pfr

i have beaten that guy several times plus HEM2 gives the netwinnings over the hand histories

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09-19-2019 , 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dubakkur2

oh yeah..that was pfr

i have beaten that guy several times plus HEM2 gives the netwinnings over the hand histories

yeah but you have 1k hands on him. anyone can lose over 1k hands.

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09-19-2019 , 01:42 AM

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dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by Zuko

yeah but you have 1k hands on him. anyone can lose over 1k hands.

its based on other observations also.
may be i am making wrong conclusions too

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09-19-2019 , 01:53 AM

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i am just pointing it out because you may draw the wrong conclusions from it. because it really should not influence your decision making.

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09-19-2019 , 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuko

i am just pointing it out because you may draw the wrong conclusions from it. because it really should not influence your decision making.

agreed sir

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