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08-23-2014 , 05:23 PM
Hi,

how do i play this hand? and how do i play it if i should decide to just flat it preflop and hit the K postflop?

thank you in advance!

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 242.8 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.15, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 50)
UTG: 115 BB (VPIP: 16.49, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 199)
CO: 141.1 BB (VPIP: 23.48, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 135)
BTN: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 28.46, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 125)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 28 BB, fold, Hero raises to 242.8 BB and is all-in, CO calls 113.1 BB and is all-in

Flop: (286.2 BB, 2 players) K 9 5

Turn: (286.2 BB, 2 players) J

River: (286.2 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows K A (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 12%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
CO shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 88%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 273.3 BB
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08-23-2014 , 06:14 PM
Not sure I shove fairly deep, but honestly this hand will be hard to get away from even if you call given how much would be in the pot at the flop. He will be all in by turn or river at best. Might be able to get away at turn or river, but with what would be committed I doubt it.
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08-23-2014 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KaisurrSozee
Hi,

how do i play this hand? and how do i play it if i should decide to just flat it preflop and hit the K postflop?

thank you in advance!

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 242.8 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.15, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 50)
UTG: 115 BB (VPIP: 16.49, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 199)
CO: 141.1 BB (VPIP: 23.48, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 135)
BTN: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 28.46, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 125)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 28 BB, fold, Hero raises to 242.8 BB and is all-in, CO calls 113.1 BB and is all-in

Flop: (286.2 BB, 2 players) K 9 5

Turn: (286.2 BB, 2 players) J

River: (286.2 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows K A (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 12%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
CO shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 88%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 273.3 BB
CO vs SB 4bet ranges are usually quite tight. Especially after you SQZ there.
At 100bb I shove it anyway.
At 140bb I think flatting is fine. If hes a bit spewy i think making a small 5bet and calling it off is better than shoving.
Check-call flop.
QQ/bluffs is all you beat, so if he cbet shoves turn you could probably fold it? not something i'd want to do though. Would be like 80 into a 100 pot at that stage....

It's a cooler though so don't worry too much
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08-23-2014 , 06:45 PM
You haven't played it badly if you think his stack off range is QQ+ AK and there is a possibility you have some FE if villain folds to the shove like 20% of the time or something, i think its a cooler
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08-23-2014 , 06:55 PM
Po what is your range pre to szq?
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08-26-2014 , 03:47 PM
I think in this particular spot almost up to 32%. I remember the CO folding 89% to 3bets.
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08-27-2014 , 11:25 AM
Well if you sqz 30% this is an easy shove rangewise
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08-27-2014 , 11:36 AM
CO folds 89% to 3bets and is 140 deep IP and 4bets us ...... obvious fold.
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08-28-2014 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KaisurrSozee
and how do i play it if i should decide to just flat it preflop and hit the K postflop?
x/c 3 streets
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08-28-2014 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Patje90
Well if you sqz 30% this is an easy shove rangewise
even if that's true, no one 4bets AQ for value here, but he might 4bet a bunch of hands that we dominate, so i would always flat the 4bet in this spot, esp suited
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08-28-2014 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
even if that's true, no one 4bets AQ for value here, but he might 4bet a bunch of hands that we dominate, so i would always flat the 4bet in this spot, esp suited
Meh not me. Especially oop without any knowledge about his game.
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08-28-2014 , 09:27 AM
that's because most regs are scared of playing postflop, even vs an unk it's way more EV to flat , just need to think that most of his bluffs are Ax or Kx, and if we shove, and he calls he has AA KK AK QQ maybe JJ, then #don'tcomplainaboutEVline

but that's std, most regs have that huge leak, when you have the perfect stop to flat and win a big pot, they just jam
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08-28-2014 , 09:34 AM
Not sure if you talk in general or in this hand, but with dynamics etc flatting becomes much more interesting than in this case where it seems villain doesn't bluf much.
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08-28-2014 , 09:49 AM
I think calling the 4b is best also. We're getting direct odds (2:1) to try and flop top pair or a FD. If we shove hes only snapping us off with QQ+, and I don't think the fold equity from getting JJ to fold is worth.

Flat and call down if you pair up imo
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08-28-2014 , 09:53 AM
we don't call to hit
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08-28-2014 , 09:54 AM
I realize we call to keep bluffs in his range. If we hit we call down, if we miss there are still boards/runouts where we have to stack off I would assume
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08-28-2014 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Patje90
Not sure if you talk in general or in this hand, but with dynamics etc flatting becomes much more interesting than in this case where it seems villain doesn't bluf much.
in both cases this is such an easy flat..
this is one of the common spots that makes the difference between b/e regs and winning regs
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08-28-2014 , 09:59 AM
this is the best advice i can give, and i don't like to give those, you don't need to know how he plays postflop to flat pre and for it to 1k times better than shoving

also not folding most boards
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08-28-2014 , 11:55 AM
don't really understand flatting, we're OOP and no clue how he plays, plus he folds a ton to 3bets, so it seems to me like we are just going to end up in lots of **** spots making tons of mistakes in huge pots.
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