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09-01-2011 , 12:33 AM
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CO is 36/34/100 FT3B% (1/1)/100% fold to flop cbet(1/1) after 60 hands, BTN is a typical passive fish.

    Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    BB: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
    MP: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
    CO: $15.23 (152.3 bb)
    BTN: $3.09 (30.9 bb)
    UTG: $10.11 (101.1 bb)
    Hero (SB): $16.24 (162.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

    Flop: ($3.70) 6 7 4 (3 players)
    Hero bets ???



    3bet pots are my weakness, so I want to analyze this hand street by street. How much do we bet here and why??
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    09-01-2011 , 12:37 AM
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    Whatever our normal 3bet pot cbet amount is. Why would we bet differently with this hand than AJ? I tap the 2/3rds pot button.
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    09-01-2011 , 12:49 AM
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    thats why I did, but that put me in a very weird spot ott (awkward stack sizes). Any other opinions??
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    09-01-2011 , 01:00 AM
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    Why, because you're shoving $11.50 into a $9 pot or whatever? Who cares? You should've gotten 4bet by anything better preflop, and the $2 difference frankly doesn't change what'll call on the turn.
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    09-01-2011 , 01:18 AM
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    I think you should think about the size of the pot you want to be on later streets when you choose the bet size.
    In this case we are likely to have the best hand and will get called by TT-JJ so planning to get stacks in asap makes sense imo
    3.3 on flop and shove turn is a viable option imo
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    09-01-2011 , 02:18 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Srge
    3.3 on flop and shove turn is a viable option imo
    yeah i like this, do others agree??

      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
      MP: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
      CO: $15.23 (152.3 bb)
      BTN: $3.09 (30.9 bb)
      UTG: $10.11 (101.1 bb)
      Hero (SB): $16.24 (162.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

      Flop: ($3.70) 6 7 4 (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, CO calls $2.20, BTN folds

      Turn: ($8.10) 9 (2 players)
      Hero??? (eff. stack $11.83)



      Do we shove (i feel like we are only getting value from JJ and TT and getting owned by sets, flushes and maybe even KK/AA if we shove...and JJ or TT might even fold to our overbet shove...)?? Bet smaller?? Something else?? I'm really lost in these kind of spots...
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      09-01-2011 , 02:38 AM
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      Bigger pre is very important OOP and deep.

      3.20 or so OTF, shove turn.

      Now shove.

      Playing overpairs in 3b pots really isn't rocket science. Just go with your hand unless the board comes terribly, you'll lose sometimes but win more often.
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      09-01-2011 , 02:59 AM
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      as said before - raise more pre, I like 1.8$ to pay us all small pocket pairs, SC because we are a bit deep and OOP

      no, I dont like shove.. nothing worse calls us. since board gets really wet. I think that his range OTT is TT, JJ and combo-draws, made flushes. btw any notes how he plays draws? some guys play it very passively, even combos

      Im not sure that even TT, JJ will call our shove now because our hand looks like QQ+ or AKs

      Id check turn and re-evaluate. It would suck if he tries to play TT, JJ as bluff, but not everyone has iron balls ). we have Q diamonds, so he might have JTs, AKs and any other SCs
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      09-01-2011 , 04:38 AM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Falcone
      Bigger pre is very important OOP and deep.

      3.20 or so OTF, shove turn.

      Now shove.

      Playing overpairs in 3b pots really isn't rocket science. Just go with your hand unless the board comes terribly, you'll lose sometimes but win more often.
      Are u b/c flop vs CO?
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      09-01-2011 , 05:30 AM
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      Bet from half to 2/3 pot on the flop, bet the same amt. on the turn and shove river. If it was 200+ BB deep and villain was aggro, I'd like check/calling the flop
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      09-01-2011 , 05:50 AM
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      Raise to 1.65 pre.

      About 2/3 pot otf.

      Then jam turn.
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