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10-17-2010 , 09:59 AM
MP: $2.87
CO: $9.95
Hero (BTN): $10.87
SB: $10.23
BB: $10.24
UTG: $10.00

Villan is 16/12 7% 3bet nitty TAG I'm 26/19 8% 3bet

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q J
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Was raising .20 with almost ATC since the blinds were so tight, he 3bets, I kind of have meh hand but vs. 7% 3bet and my super wide percived range I think its an OK call.

Flop: ($1.50) 7 Q 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Weak bet, standard call

Turn: ($2.90) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

I know I'm good a ton here but he prolly has little to nothing so I make a sucker bet to get calls from smaller PP or hero A high. F-draw is prolly 2 barreling.

River: ($3.70) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB raises to $4.30

Get 2p and attempt another v-bet but get raised... I dont see him bluffing much here ( maybe busted diamond F-draw?), so is this JJ or BD spade F-draw enough to hero fold here?






SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.59
CO: $16.51
BTN: $13.74

Villan is 19/13 I'm sLAG

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Std

Flop: ($0.85) 3 8 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Std

Turn: ($2.05) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Jin turn (I would kind of liked a donk here but what can you do...), when he checks back he prolly has OP and is scared of the draw coming in or he has air IMO

River: ($2.05) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks

Is this check OK? I think he bets OP for value a lot so we can c/r to get max value, also we get more value since he can bet air here a lot too. Or is this FPS?
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10-17-2010 , 10:09 AM
Even with your wide perceived range, QJo plays quite horribly. You flop pairs where you have no clue how dominated you are, but if it was suited it would be close since you can flop more nutted draws than off suit. Bet the turn a normal normal size of slightly bigger than 1/2 pot, there are draws and 99-JJ that you can get value from.

H2- bet the river. After they check the turn they do not have a hand that will call a check raise if they bet the river at all often enough. They might call you with Ace high with the 8 pairing or a small pp.
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10-17-2010 , 10:22 AM
first hand fold pre after the 3b, bet more ott and river, as played it's still a fold, but you look weaked than you are.

hand 2, I'd just c/r flop and lead the turn. As played donking the turn is an option according to his db freq and the fact that that card hits your perceived range, so he checks turn back a higher %. Otr checking isn't that bad tbh, he looks very weak and yeah, you fell stupid when he checks back his pocket 6s, but overall he has got a lot of air there.
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10-17-2010 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by deathdan
first hand fold pre after the 3b, bet more ott and river, as played it's still a fold, but you look weaked than you are.

hand 2, I'd just c/r flop and lead the turn. As played donking the turn is an option according to his db freq and the fact that that card hits your perceived range, so he checks turn back a higher %. Otr checking isn't that bad tbh, he looks very weak and yeah, you fell stupid when he checks back his pocket 6s, but overall he has got a lot of air there.
c/r flop to me is the worst. You have a hand that does not want to play a huge pot with just a small overpair and very few draws on this board. Your turning your hand into a bluff where you got good showdown value.
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10-17-2010 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chet22r
c/r flop to me is the worst. You have a hand that does not want to play a huge pot with just a small overpair and very few draws on this board. Your turning your hand into a bluff where you got good showdown value.
no sorry, I brainfarted, I thought we had the set on the flop, calling is clearly best. The rest of my posts hold true.
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10-17-2010 , 12:17 PM
Hand 1 fold to the 3b, as played bet bigger on the turn, fold river.
Hand 2, he almost never has an OvP. Best hand he can have is like 66 so checking has its merit since we're not sure he will call with his weak showdown value but we have no idea if he's gonna bluff with his air either. I'd bet by default between 1/2 and 2/3 pot.
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10-17-2010 , 01:20 PM
First hand.
Raise more pre-flop, use your position.
Continue with your cbet, it will give you a good indication were you stand. FIf you find resistence, then move to Check/fold.

Hand 2
I like the call pre-flop, like the call flop
Dont like the check on the turn, you have a board with 879, I think this is draw eavy, Not a good spot to slow play, Raise get value.
Turn you got the nuts, Raise big make it look like you are going for a steal, If he as something he might call or he might try to push you off by shoving.
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10-17-2010 , 01:23 PM
Yeah I feel I played it super bad thats why I posted here. I especialy hate my underbetting since its something I never do but lately I'm experimenting with it since nobody bluffraises at these stakes. Looks like it damaged my play a bit...

Hand 1 I folded to raise so god knows what he had.

Hand 2 he checked behind with TT which is a hand I kind of put him on but he just didnt want to bet it for some reason. You do feel silly cheking nuts only to get checked behind with a hand that would prolly pay off PSB+ shell
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