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NL10 KTs OOP float - tips welcome! NL10 KTs OOP float - tips welcome!

05-21-2014 , 12:52 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (BB): $10.47 (104.7 bb)
    UTG: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $10 (100 bb)
    CO: $10 (100 bb)
    BTN: $20.10 (201 bb)
    SB: $20.60 (206 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K T
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.65) Q 2 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.35) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: ($1.35) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.90, CO folds


    V is 24/19 over 60, flop cbet FWIW 67

    Is this a good spot for an OOP float? He has reggish stats and a full stacks, so most likely fires a cbet on this texture close to 90% time. I decide to go for a float with my OK hand.

    Once he checks turn, he basically gives me green light to bluff river. Do I bluff all rivers? Ace? Does the river card affect my bluff sizing? As in: if it's a 9 it's an overcard to his (unlikely) 7x so I could bet lower than if the river came another 2 - does it make sense?

    This kind of play looks like a good way to turn the hands you are forced to call with in BB into a bit of profit. Please share your tips on the art of reverse floating.
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    05-21-2014 , 12:55 PM
    not a good spot
    would def call if it was Qd2c7h
    here it's an easy x/f
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    05-21-2014 , 01:09 PM
    Does the backdoor flush draw really make the difference between XF and XC on the flop? Floating in position I agree, as this gives me plenty of hands I can be aggressive on. When I am OOP however, it is more difficult to be profitably aggressive: XR is tricky to pull off OTT, as villain will check back a lot.
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    05-21-2014 , 01:25 PM
    obv it does make a huge difference
    mainly because if you float this you will end up not x/f otf, which will obv be super exploitable
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    05-21-2014 , 01:35 PM
    So basically you're saying the advantage of a backdoor flush draw is that I'm arbitrarily "allowed" to play the hand?
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    05-21-2014 , 01:39 PM
    on a little less than 1/4th of the deck you could x/r turn for instance, you protect against barrels on K turns as well

    here you got nothing working for you
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    05-21-2014 , 01:40 PM
    I think he's saying that if you are floating without bfd, you are floating any kind of hand and this is exploitable. I agree with Martim here, backdoor straight draw and 1 over isn't enough to float for me here.
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    05-21-2014 , 01:42 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
    on a little less than 1/4th of the deck you could x/r turn
    on a little less than 1/4 deck * (his turn cbet stat) to be exact
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    05-21-2014 , 01:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by storczyk
    So basically you're saying the advantage of a backdoor flush draw is that I'm arbitrarily "allowed" to play the hand?
    the backdoor flush allows you to continue on a lot more turns profitably.
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    05-21-2014 , 01:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
    on a little less than 1/4th of the deck you could x/r turn for instance, you protect against barrels on K turns as well

    here you got nothing working for you
    +1
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    05-21-2014 , 01:56 PM
    So do you have any rough guidelines for OOP floating? We have established BFD, BSD and 1 over is good enough, how about no overs? No BSD? How would you rate the floatability on this flop of:
    5 6,
    A 4,
    K 6,
    A T,
    A 5
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    05-21-2014 , 01:59 PM
    Ad5d<AdTd<Kh6h<Ah4h<6h5h
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    05-21-2014 , 02:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by storczyk
    on a little less than 1/4 deck * (his turn cbet stat) to be exact
    yeah, but it's not a give or take which turns he'll continue to bet, so that stat has little to do with it

    however, if that is over a big sample , you can start floating more liberal OOP because you'll have more opportunities to bluff rivers. Naturally you should also x/r less turned draws since his turn barrel range is stronger.

    (fwiw, I actually don't x/r turned draws that often, it was just an example in my initial post)
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    05-21-2014 , 02:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartimC
    not a good spot
    would def call if it was Qd2c7h
    here it's an easy x/f
    +1

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    05-21-2014 , 02:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
    (fwiw, I actually don't x/r turned draws that often, it was just an example in my initial post)
    Do you feel comfortable XC with a backdoor flush, turning the FD and XC again?

    Do you then go for a donk bluff, or a XR bluff OTR more often?
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    05-21-2014 , 02:53 PM
    you can x/c again a diamond draw or x/r it depends if you can rep made hands or not
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    05-21-2014 , 02:56 PM
    well, I would x/r some turns with draws that don't have sdv or in spots where you want to x/r some strong hands (which is just on drawy boards). Just keep in mind that there are also spots where villain won't barrel and that you sometimes hit your draw. I don't donk rivers basically and the particular spot you're worried about is quite rare, i'm sure you should x/r some of it otr, but it's becoming really complex to figure out what it is as you need to map everything out, and as long as you're at 10nl-50nl you can be pretty sure people aren't barrelling enough.
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    05-21-2014 , 02:58 PM
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    05-21-2014 , 03:08 PM
    Well I appreciate any coherent wall of text
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