mp is 59/9 11 hands, co is 71/29 7 hands. both seem fishy, which is why i raise big. no reads.

still a fold?


Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $16.64
CO: $10.49
BTN: $10.40
SB: $18.01
BB: $5.21

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.55, MP calls $0.55, CO calls $0.55, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.80) 9 5 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.35, MP raises to $16.09, CO calls $9.94 all in, Hero?

well played pre
if it was HU i would snap call MP's shove, but CO calling really makes me wanna fold

ya dont buy too much into vp/pf stats after 7 and 11 hands. That doesn't really mean they'll be donks post flop a lot of the time they're just seeing lots of flops and fit or folding. Seems like a pokerstove problem to me. CO's call is scary but all his fd's also have "overcards" so i probably just click call and lol at whatever they show me.

multiway i can find a fold. HU im getting it in.

edit: you could be ahead here some of the time, especially when they show up w/ draws, TPTKs, Qs-. you still have ~12-20% equity against 2 pair type hands. so looking at the pot odds a little better than 1:3 so you can call the shove. if you like variance.

edit2: lololol if you stove it im pretty sure as long ha they have Js Ts Qs, any TP hand you have a **** ton of equityand you have to ship it, furthermore, with them being fish

I'm calling. MP has more draws, 9x, overpairs than monsters. Fish love to slowplay their monsters especially when there is another fish yet to act/trap.

CO calling is very scary. If he was decent I would instafold, but he is probably a fish, so that there is a big possibility he has a hand that we beat. Who knows maybe he calls with 3x there.

We are getting good price for our money. Would be nice to triple up. We need to have the best hand at showdown less than 30% of the time.

Way too much money in the pot, call

You just can't fold this. Just can't. If there's set so be it but it's (easy) call.

i did call. but why do i feel like its spew to call here? am i to results oriented?

Most likely...

I disagree with the call there. As others have said, your HUD doesn't tell you much when you have less than 100 hands on a player, and even that is on the low side. If a player gets a rush of cards, your stats on them can be thrown way off if you have less than a few hundred hands together. Thus, the stats you have on them are fairly irrelevant (7-11 hands is absolutely nothing).

Take them as fish, but semi-competent. You simply do not know enough about them to get it all in on a 3-way pot with a single pair, IMO. However, I like low variance and consistent winnings. In the long run, you may (arguable) come out barely on top, but it is so marginal that the mere fact you don't know much about your opponents makes this a sure fold. Why risk your stack with a pair? You can make money else where.

The CO calling makes me painfully fold this. Agreed that HU this is a call. Often times we will come out on top against typical villains that showdown erratic hands. Question for the OP, was it a showdown of AdKd vs. A PP?

(Often times I due fold and see typical showdowns as above)

Well, let's say hypothetically that these guys each have a set, aces, or a good flush draw:

Board: 9d 5d 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 07.851% 07.85% 00.00% 22118 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 46.075% 45.21% 00.86% 127376 2433.00 { AA, 99, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, 8d7d, 7d6d }
Hand 2: 46.075% 45.21% 00.86% 127376 2433.00 { AA, 99, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, 8d7d, 7d6d }


In this scenario, we are doing pretty poorly.

Obviously. What is the point you are trying to make?

If they had had rush of cards their pfr and vpip would be closer. That gap is pretty reliable fish sign even after that few hands

think I would fold although tough spot

why did you raise to 5.5x pf?

im saying that if these guys are not spewing wildly, there's a good chance this is a bad call

OK. I think MP has a draw most of the time, some combos of sets, more 2p and all overpairs.

CO can be as tight as overpairs+ but he can easily have all fushdraws, and if he is bad enough, 9x and even worse.

With those stats, even such a low sample It's probable that they are both fish.

When MP just shoves I weigh his range much more toward draws than made hands.
CO depends totally on how bad he is, but it is perfectly possible that he is the type of player that can't fold 9x here ever.

If Mp minraised and CO shoved, I would muck.

TT-QQ also love this flop, and most AA combos will be raising PF. MANY FD combos other than AdXd will be raising from MP, which has more equity against our KK due to the overcard. CO's range is much stronger than MP, who could be spewing with something as weak as TPTK or (flame away) an AK that doesn't want to let it go on this innocuous board. Your flop bet is really just a cbet, so you haven't repped anything that strong yet. I think this is a gross spot, but a call. Multiway so you'll be losing this more often than you like OP, but playing optimally often means dealing with higher variance. You only need around 27% to BE, and I haven't accounted for some of the strange spewy hands that show up here at 10NL outside of AK.


1,221,759 games 0.026 secs 46,990,730 games/sec

Board: 9d 5d 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.787% 29.44% 01.35% 359677 16471.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 28.647% 28.10% 00.55% 343267 6730.00 { AcAs, AdAh, AdAs, KdKh, QQ-99, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ac9c, Ah9h, As9s, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, JdTd, 7d6d, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKd, AsKd, Ad9c, Ah9c, Ah9d, As9c, As9d, As9h }
Hand 2: 40.566% 39.59% 00.98% 483699 11915.00 { AcAs, AdAh, AdAs, KdKh, QQ-JJ, 99, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, KdQd, 7d6d }

EDIT: Calculated odds wrong, updated =]

id sign and fold this for 100bb, i think your either WAY behind or slightly in front esp vs two fish, one being passive, you dont even had a back door FD either which is prob why id fold.

Can't we include overpairs and top pairs in their range?

call and take notes. too small of a sample.

Very true.

Although, this is not a tough spot. You raised, someone shoved, someone over-called... In a 3-way pot, you need more than an over pair to be profitable in the long run.

EASY fold.

I smell a set somewhere here

MP is a obvious flush draw shove but the CO coming along I am expecting to be a massive underdog or so maginally in front I am dodging to many bullets

To me its a fold

No way i can see myself fold... here you're beating most of a "Fish's hands" with Kings most like running into a FD and a SPP

Fold and cry when they both show worse.