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NL10 - JTs MP v BTN, cbet OESD and get raised on Q97r NL10 - JTs MP v BTN, cbet OESD and get raised on Q97r

10-09-2013 , 06:49 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $18.11 (VPIP: 19.31, PFR: 17.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 354)
BTN: $9.72 (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 62)
SB: $13.93 (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: $21.69 (VPIP: 27.88, PFR: 21.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
UTG: $5.82 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J T

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 9 Q 7
Hero bets $0.45, BTN raises to $1.50
Can you help me with what thought process to have here please? I really did not want to call being OOP as it is tougher to get paid when we hit. I try to put him on a range (he is passive in general but raised 1/7 flops before, achieving a fold) and think 77, 99 but only draw I give him I block/split with. Maybe people raise AQ here? What about GS draws KT/KJ? Anyway with that range I have to fold I think but really need help here please. I just noticed my cbet is too small also, agree?
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10-09-2013 , 06:51 AM
yeah fold OOP. if you had a larger sample of him raising tons of flop cbets I'd 3b
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10-09-2013 , 07:02 AM
C-bet bigger to like 0.6, I'd also call one, we have 8 outs to the nuts and ok immediate/good implied odds if we hit.
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10-09-2013 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Adzman
C-bet bigger to like 0.6, I'd also call one, we have 8 outs to the nuts and ok immediate/good implied odds if we hit.
no need to c-bet that big imo because villain is going to fold roughly the same range of hands (small pocket pairs and hands which whiffed) regardless of our bet size.
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10-09-2013 , 07:57 AM
I'd peel flop as well, I expect villain to give up a fair amount with his bluffs.
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10-09-2013 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
no need to c-bet that big imo because villain is going to fold roughly the same range of hands (small pocket pairs and hands which whiffed) regardless of our bet size.
It's a very drawy texture so I'm just going with that sizing with all my hands I c-bet on this texture, to either, in this case, build a pot when we make out hand or to charge draws.

If it was Q92r I'm much more inclined to go around 0.5 as the c-bet size because it's do much less textured.
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10-09-2013 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
I'd peel flop as well, I expect villain to give up a fair amount with his bluffs.
So then do we bluff missed rivers if he gives up/checks back on the turn?
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10-09-2013 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
So then do we bluff missed rivers if he gives up/checks back on the turn?
Yes.
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10-09-2013 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
So then do we bluff missed rivers if he gives up/checks back on the turn?
Seems obvious
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10-09-2013 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Seems obvious
No need!! I am NL10 noob man, gimme a break
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10-09-2013 , 09:57 AM
Cbet size is fine imo. i will def call, and if he checks turn.. he should bluff missed rivers. always though in a vacumme..
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10-09-2013 , 11:00 AM
I just don't see him checking back turns too often once he raises this flop. if we had a bdfd to go along with I'd peel aswell and c/j turns a lot
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10-09-2013 , 11:24 AM
peeling and shoving turn is pretty bad imo
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10-09-2013 , 11:32 AM
This is a tough spot. I have troubles not peeling 1 off but I do realize oop we arent going to max our profits if we hit.
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10-09-2013 , 12:39 PM
Call flop
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