Villain is 51/34, 3b 4.3%, agg factor 1.6, folding to 3bets 80% over 213 hands. MP is 73/29, 3b 9.8%, agg factor 2.1, folding to 3bets 17% over 730 hands. CO is 58/4 over 270. I think that 3betting here OOP isn't good. When we get 4bet (or shoved) we're behind. And when we get called it will suck on most flops... Thoughts?

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $10.63
UTG: $11.35
MP: $8.13
CO: $10.78
BTN: $9.00
SB: $23.06

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J J
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.55, 1 fold, Hero 3bets or not?

When villain's range is really wide, then 3-betting is often better than calling and playing a hand oop. It's like not set-mining against a button open. So I like a 3-bet here. If he ships and you have to fold, so be it. He'll fold alot of the time.

dont like this at all, were kind of turning JJ into a bluff by 3bet folding


id just 3bet get this in, given the dead money already out there, id prob only fold if we get backraised from a limper.

3bet and shove over a 4bet. We want this pot HU and 3betting can isolate MP.

You wont be happY if You 3bet and he 4bets or shoves, because he is folding a lot to pre-flop aggression.

call.

3b/get it in, get medieval on his ass.

He´s iso raising IP, his range is very wide. I´d 3bet.

Probably he calls more often than he 4-bets and you flop an overpair half the time.

Not 3betting sucks here...you gonna have to play multiway and oop.

this thinking isn't theoretically sound

no

JJ flops a set or overpair 48% of the time.

no

Can you explain why you keep saying no?

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Not until I get an answer here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...unseen-913234/

i think i 3bet shove vs this guy

Why would you want to shove and put a higher risk on folding out all worse draws?

Did you figure it out yet? Let me guess, no.

if i 3b and get shoved on i hate it.
if i 3b and get called all round i hate it.
as has been sort of mentioned, an overcard to our pair is gonna come 50% of the time. I'm just keeping this small and calling OOP as i dont think a raise is gonna generally thin this field.
I dont think we need to drop into set mining mode here as there's a fair chance we still gonna be good OTF.
post flop we just gonna have to take it from there.
lot of variables here

The big question here is that if we 3 bet, does he fold all/most hands that we beat. 80% F3B is high, but it's over 213 hands. Most probably he folded 4/5 of 3 bets, so sample size is small and his 97o UTG opens might have gotten 3 bet a couple of times by a tight BTN. He is also very loose preflop, 51/34 so even if he folds 80% of his BTN iso range (40%?) he still continues with top 8% of hands which we are ahead of.

Much more important than his F3B stat of 80% is the recent dynamic. If you have 3 bet a couple of times in recent orbits ad especially if you have 3 bet him and he has folded, then the 3 bet becomes more attractive.

Digest: I wouldn't care much about his F3B stat over a small sample. The fact that he is very aggro preflop is a good reason to 3 b/c. Also recent dynamic is important.


Just calling here sucks. We invite the others in and we will be in a 4 way pot OOP with a second pair to the flop most of the time. Sometimes you can't help it (the BTN is a nit and will fold all worse to 3 bet), but here 3 betting is probably the right play even if you have not been 3 beting/have nitty image.

id 3bet everytime,

if he re-ships id be angry but fold.

By flatting we can get ourselves into alot of trouble OTF. Especially since some villains will flat the 3bet with QQ and not 4bet. I would rather have the chance to take the pot down there.

I also dont like the limp with JJ

NH TY

What about calling to keep the fish in?

Hard to get value OOP with a middle strenght hand as we will have the vast majority of the time. Also all K8o hands etc of the fish have decent equity versus our hand.

I want to get rid of the fish, not to keep them in.

Flop Q86hh what are we going to do postflop 4 way OOP to others?