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06-18-2008 , 09:23 PM

DrMickHead

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Second orbit at the table so no reads at all.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $5.45
MP1: $10.15
MP2: $10.00
CO: $2.15
BTN: $4.80
SB: $4.45
Hero (BB): $9.80

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J

3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.50, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $9.80 all in

Should I read the button as strong or the type of player who goes on monkey tilt when someone raises them preflop? I'm not at all worried about the other caller at this point.

So, did I do fine or should I be more concerned usually?

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06-18-2008 , 09:40 PM

noidea555

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Firstly, I would make my initial raise more. At least $0.7, and usually $0.8 because you're oop, but that depends on everyone's stats and your personal preference i guess.

I am fine with stacking off here. The first reason is that he didn't openlimp, he overlimped, which makes it much less likely that he actua;;y has a monster. Secondly, if he is content to overlimp pf and see a multiway limped pot with AA, I don't see why he would all of the sudden 3bet AI instead of just calling and felting on all flops. This isn't exactly a great situation, but with the dead money in the pot I don't think that you can fold.

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06-19-2008 , 11:52 AM

SretiCentV

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The fact that he is sitting on 48 big blinds is a good enough read for me. Open to .70 then shove over his l/r and expect this to be a profitable, although high variance, situation

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06-19-2008 , 12:37 PM

venice10

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It is difficult to put somebody on anything when they do bizarre things like call a limp on the button, then 3bet.

Even so, it is unlikely either villain has QQ+ to play these ways, so a shove is the right move. You'll fold off the likely pp the MP2 has, and be ahead of the Button's Ax.

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06-19-2008 , 04:10 PM

DrMickHead

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Thanks guys. In the future I'll make my first raise a little more preflop.

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06-19-2008 , 07:35 PM

Muzzard

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Button has a big pair here like 1%, more likely its Ax type hand, so I'm fine with shoving pre.

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06-23-2008 , 08:28 PM

AKSpartan

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I've seen this exact same overlimp BTN/shove situation before, with JJ. He was only in for 60 BB, so I called. He had KK and I hit my Justice Jack on the flop.

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06-23-2008 , 09:16 PM

TheDataKid

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Going all in pre flop on a pair of jacks is something i shouldn't do

Maybe it's a total donkey, but a donkey with AA, KK, AK, QQ, QK.. whatever..

maybe he has absolutely nothing.. but i wouldn't go all in pre flop with a mid pair

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06-24-2008 , 12:25 AM

JH1

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

Button has a big pair here like 1%, more likely its Ax type hand, so I'm fine with shoving pre.

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Originally Posted by TheDataKid

You are a favorite against that range if you discount AA/KK a bit, which you should, and an even bigger favorite if you add more Ax hands. So get it all in. JJ is not a midpair in this situation, it is the 4th best hand in holdem.

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06-24-2008 , 06:56 AM

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TheDataKid

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It's a midpair, and you giving somebody advice for shoving his money into something that easily can be QQ, KK, AA ..

But okay, if you want to give people advice like that.. fine

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06-24-2008 , 07:49 AM

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kail0r

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too often do i see ppl limp R on the button and then stack off with total rags. i agree with the shove. way ahead of villains range and as some1 said villain didnt open limp making it even less likely that they have AA/KK. i say get it in

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06-24-2008 , 09:46 AM

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TheDataKid

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Limping in with a big pair is common

you trying to get a bet from someone else and then you re-raise him big and hope he calls or makes the mistake of going all in

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06-24-2008 , 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDataKid

It's a midpair, and you giving somebody advice for shoving his money into something that easily can be QQ, KK, AA ..

But okay, if you want to give people advice like that.. fine

This is scared poker. Limp RR is not always teh nutz. I think JJ is ahead way more often than you think.

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06-24-2008 , 01:16 PM

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TheDataKid

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I play jacks, i love jacks, i love any pair!

but all i say is that i am not going all in pre flop with jacks

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06-24-2008 , 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDataKid

I play jacks, i love jacks, i love any pair!

but all i say is that i am not going all in pre flop with jacks

Fair enough. But if he really held AA and was trying to tarp us, why would he RR so much?

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06-24-2008 , 04:08 PM

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TheDataKid

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Hmm.. I figure..
It's a donkey

He sees on television all those big trappy stuff, checking, and then betting.. stuff like that

So maybe he gets to excited and just bets so much cause he can't hold himself having a big hand like aces or kings

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06-25-2008 , 12:14 AM

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gymrat8168

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I think a shove here is ok. I personally don't know if I could shove JJ pre but I see short stacks make plays like this with 22-1010 quite a bit trying to steal the pot here or be flipping with AK, AQ if called.

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