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NL10: JJ in deep 4-bet spot NL10: JJ in deep 4-bet spot

08-04-2008 , 07:45 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $17.55
MP: $11.50
CO: $20.10
BTN: $4.60
SB: $10.05
BB: $10.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, CO calls $1.85

Flop: ($6.65) K 4 K (2 players)
Hero ???


Villain is running 25/18 over 350 hands, quite aggro and definitly 3-betting light. He likes to 3-bet me sometimes with 76s and all that kind of light 3-bets.
On the other side he should be aware of an UTG-raise. I thought we are deep enough for a 4-bet oop to take the pot down. Thought he would 3-bet light again and give up. No, he cold called the 4-bet, and which hand can he cold call a 4-bet with? In my opinion he can only do this with AK or AA.

Bad play with the 4-bet pf, even with a certain history?
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08-05-2008 , 07:08 AM
no one?
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08-05-2008 , 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firedisc
... he cold called the 4-bet, and which hand can he cold call a 4-bet with? In my opinion he can only do this with AK or AA.
I will add AQs, and a lot of middle PPs (something like 88-JJ).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firedisc
Bad play with the 4-bet pf, even with a certain history?
Maybe this is weak but I will just call preflop and probably check/fold this flop. If you were in position then 4-bet with your history will be much better.
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08-05-2008 , 07:42 AM
It is difficult to catch a light 3-bettor ip.
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08-05-2008 , 07:50 AM
JJ seems like a bad hand to 4bet with when you're almost 200bbs deep.

If he decides to make it $9.5 or something now what? You either fold and lose 30+BBs or you shove and risk your whole stack and when he calls I'm guessing you'll be crushed.

As played I'd try to check it down. The pot is pretty big. I'm not sure if he would bet a worse PP in this spot. Although if you managed to get to the river and the board is all low I'd consider calling a small bet just for the sake of seeing what he's doing this with.
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08-05-2008 , 08:32 AM
With such a small 4bet and so deep, I'd expect villain to call with almost his entire 3bet range. Not least because he probably views you as a weak player that he can get to lay down hands like the one you are holding quite easily. I think you have put yourself in an unprofitable spot, and you need to reevaluate your reasons for 4 betting, especially when this deep.
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08-05-2008 , 09:13 AM
i think its pretty likely that he have AK, QQ+, he will call most of the time u bet, check and reevaluate
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08-05-2008 , 09:22 AM
1. Had you made a 4bet yet?

2. Bet. We're representing QQ+/AK. Would you check the flop with any of those hands? I'd bet small enough so that I could double barrel this.
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08-05-2008 , 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovedemdeuces
1. Had you made a 4bet yet?

2. Bet. We're representing QQ+/AK. Would you check the flop with any of those hands? I'd bet small enough so that I could double barrel this.
No i never made a 4bet yet.

That's what i thought. He could call my 4-bet with all his 3-bet range, there fore my range can hit this flop very well.

But--- i did what you said


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): $17.55
MP: $11.50
CO: $20.10
BTN: $4.60
SB: $10.05
BB: $10.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, CO calls $1.85

Flop: ($6.65) K 4 K (2 players)
Hero bets $4.05, CO calls $4.05
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08-05-2008 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firedisc
No i never made a 4bet yet.

That's what i thought. He could call my 4-bet with all his 3-bet range, there fore my range can hit this flop very well.

But--- i did what you said


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): $17.55
MP: $11.50
CO: $20.10
BTN: $4.60
SB: $10.05
BB: $10.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, CO calls $1.85

Flop: ($6.65) K 4 K (2 players)
Hero bets $4.05, CO calls $4.05
Meh, he either has AK or QQ...maybe AA. Turn bet of about $8 folds out QQ and on the rare occasion AA. Turn check would be strange. He should check back his whole range that calls the flop (AK/QQ/AA). It also leaves you in an awkward river spot.

I guess the decision is: Does he fold AA or QQ on a turn bet? If so, I'd bet. If not, c/f. Really tough spot. Meh, I think c/f is standard here actually.
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