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NL10 How to play AA on turn here? NL10 How to play AA on turn here?

01-23-2013 , 11:34 AM
Villain was running 18/3 over <50 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $13.65
UTG+1: $10.15
MP: $5.96
MP+1: $8.55
LP: $9.38
CO: $12.63
BTN: $9.85
SB: $4.05
Hero (BB): $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 6 8 K
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05, 2 players) J
Hero bets $1.53, BTN raises to $3.06, Hero - ?

What would you guys do in this spot? Fold? And if you did call, what would be your plan for the river?
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01-23-2013 , 11:37 AM
I'd call to spike a club otr. You're getting a good price.
If you miss the river and he bets out you have to assume you're beat.

Daikie.
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01-23-2013 , 10:57 PM
Spite call turn. Bink River. Profit

But yeah call the turn and then plan to fold to a real bet on pretty much all non club non 6/8 rivers
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01-24-2013 , 03:35 PM
I want to fold here tbh.
We are crushed by his value range
He seems passive so we should give him extra credit for his raise
AND our implied odds arent too big either imo, dont think he calls our valueshove otr with less than 2nd nutflush if we hit a
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01-24-2013 , 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daikie
I'd call to spike a club otr. You're getting a good price.
If you miss the river and he bets out you have to assume you're beat.

Daikie.
You are not getting a good price if you assume you are beat here by his flush (or any other hand)and are trying to river a flush. Even if he gets his stack in 100% of the time when we hit, this is not a profitable play. This play leaves 7 clubs in the deck, one of which we need or we lose 100% of the time.

IDK about you but I dont like the idea of a 7 outer for almost half a buy in. especially when we only win 1 buy in if we hit. Deep stacked, lets say everyone has $25+ here you could make the arguement. Not as played.

I'm not saying we only have 7 outs here. This was just meant as an explanation for why not to go with this logic in this situation.
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01-24-2013 , 04:44 PM
What Disvalue said, even if we hit and he stacks off we don't have the implied odds. We gonna hit that flush 1 in 7 times, less so in this instance because he has two of them. His bets gives us pot odds of around 1/3, so pretty far off. This is of course assuming this passive guy is re-raising with the flush, which I feel is highly probable.
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01-24-2013 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Disvalue
You are not getting a good price if you assume you are beat here by his flush (or any other hand)and are trying to river a flush. Even if he gets his stack in 100% of the time when we hit, this is not a profitable play. This play leaves 7 clubs in the deck, one of which we need or we lose 100% of the time.

IDK about you but I dont like the idea of a 7 outer for almost half a buy in. especially when we only win 1 buy in if we hit. Deep stacked, lets say everyone has $25+ here you could make the arguement. Not as played.

I'm not saying we only have 7 outs here. This was just meant as an explanation for why not to go with this logic in this situation.
I see wait you mean and it looks right to me, tough i did the math and this is what i came up with:
Ok, Lets say we have 7 outs or been beat, so we have about 16% to improve to the best hand.
The pot is currently $6.5 and we have to add 1.5 to see a river, that'll be adding 23% and these are the bad odds,
how ever both players have about $6 back so with the implied odds we can win 6 more (this is best case ofc.)
Then we actually have to pay 1.5 to win $12.5(own river investment not included) so with implied odds we have to add 12% to the pot and we have 16% to improve.

If we're able to get it in otr it looks like we have a profitable play over here.
And anyway, its rather thin but it just doesn't feel right to fold an over pair of aces with flush draw on this board to a minraise.


Gr. Daikie
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01-25-2013 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Daikie
I see wait you mean and it looks right to me, tough i did the math and this is what i came up with:
Ok, Lets say we have 7 outs or been beat, so we have about 16% to improve to the best hand.
The pot is currently $6.5 and we have to add 1.5 to see a river, that'll be adding 23% and these are the bad odds,
how ever both players have about $6 back so with the implied odds we can win 6 more (this is best case ofc.)
Then we actually have to pay 1.5 to win $12.5(own river investment not included) so with implied odds we have to add 12% to the pot and we have 16% to improve.

If we're able to get it in otr it looks like we have a profitable play over here.
And anyway, its rather thin but it just doesn't feel right to fold an over pair of aces with flush draw on this board to a minraise.


Gr. Daikie
Opps my bad, your right, made a silly math mistake, he raised you $3 but you only had about $1 or something to call. I think the call is good here then.
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01-25-2013 , 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daikie
If we're able to get it in otr it looks like we have a profitable play over here.
And anyway, its rather thin but it just doesn't feel right to fold an over pair of aces with flush draw on this board to a minraise.

Gr. Daikie
Your assuming that if you hit your flush you get it in 100% of the time. Your math in that case is correct. But it is very unlikely that will be true.

There are better places to look for money. GL
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