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03-18-2014 , 03:13 AM
Preflop was just a steal with an A blocker that turned bad.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 248.5 BB
BB: 80 BB
UTG: 181.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 124)
CO: 337.5 BB (VPIP: 25.36, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 21.15, Hands: 143)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) A 8 J
SB bets 29 BB, fold, Hero calls 29 BB

Turn: (88 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 210.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62 BB and is all-in

River: (212 BB, 2 players) 6

SB shows Q A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 71%, Flop 83%, Turn 67%)
Hero shows 7 A (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 29%, Flop 17%, Turn 33%)
Hero wins 202.5 BB
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03-18-2014 , 03:23 AM
preflop I think I would not 3bet A7s
but It can be close

ap I would fold turn
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03-18-2014 , 03:44 AM
Are you 3betting for value or to bluff? If you want him to fold, what's his f3bet stat and sample size?

As played I probably fold turn.
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03-18-2014 , 03:46 AM
His play is so lol. I probably can find a flop fold to this size donk into two opponents
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03-18-2014 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CCM
His play is so lol. I probably can find a flop fold to this size donk into two opponents
Yeah lol pretty bad. I would fold flop there too
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03-18-2014 , 03:59 AM
Flop call I would say is the worst part of this hand but can I really fold on that turn getting 3-1, seems pretty close.
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03-18-2014 , 06:08 AM
you need 30% ott, you don't have that vs his range.
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03-18-2014 , 06:44 AM
Preflop:

What do you mean by a steal? Are you trying to steal the blinds after a MP raise? If so that has to be spewing chips.

Raising to isolate villain with those stats maybe.

If you were expecting everyone to fold I think you are kidding yourself.

Flop

Horrible flop for you. So what if you hit that ace, you don't really stand a chance against a lot of villains range.

He shows confidence here, he has probably hit something. What do you beat that he hits? Maybe he is on a draw. JTs, JT, 78s, maybe drawing to the nut flush with AKs - ATs, maybe even Axs. Given his VPIP I cant see what you have beat here?

Turn

Calling that is bleeding chips. How many outs do you have?

I doubt an ace helps you here. 9 outs for you flush? You not getting good enough odds to call that. I guess another 7 could help, but meh.

Fold this bad boy.
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03-18-2014 , 06:53 AM
So many replies and no one asked for stats, i snap this off vs an unknown
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03-18-2014 , 06:57 AM
fold flop
fold turn as played
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03-18-2014 , 07:36 AM
This hand just has me thinking that I should be flop donking a whole lot more.
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03-18-2014 , 07:49 AM
You go ahead and do that. It's an excellent plan being the OOP 3bet coldcaller on Ahigh flops.
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03-18-2014 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
You go ahead and do that. It's an excellent plan being the OOP 3bet coldcaller on Ahigh flops.
I'm not saying I will but it definitely got me thinking.

All I was thinking was what does Hero have to hold here in order to continue on past the flop? A standard 3bet range actually gets whittled down pretty quickly given the strength signified by that defiant donk. When I thought about that, I was asking myself whether that pot sized donk could be profitable on this and other flops. And then I thought about situations where I've actually got equity and my mind starting wandering...

In other words, I brainsharted a reply into the thread. Still has me thinking though.
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03-18-2014 , 08:22 AM
if i get to the turn i am never ever folding. may fold flop though depending on how frisky i am feeling. fwiw i have seen lots of times fish show up in these spots with hands like J5, QQ and other weird hadns that make zero sense so probs never folding at any point
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03-18-2014 , 09:00 AM
Funny stuff, perfect example of fancy play syndrome . MP is a Lagg nit,
(VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 124), this we know, he's trying to appear looser then he really is. a real lagg would have 4 betted AQ, but anyway, your1st error, laggs don't fold often, especially to small 3bets......Nits betting heavy has your 7 kicker beat 100% the time there....What you didn't post was SB and BB sats or even your own stats.... FPS at NL10$ oh please just stop already.....Your first book explains this....
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03-18-2014 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by racenutalways@hotm
Funny stuff, perfect example of fancy play syndrome . MP is a Lagg nit,
(VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 124), this we know, he's trying to appear looser then he really is. a real lagg would have 4 betted AQ, but anyway, your1st error, laggs don't fold often, especially to small 3bets......Nits betting heavy has your 7 kicker beat 100% the time there....What you didn't post was SB and BB sats or even your own stats.... FPS at NL10$ oh please just stop already.....Your first book explains this....
yes, this makes sence
wait wut?

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03-18-2014 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by racenutalways@hotm
Funny stuff, perfect example of fancy play syndrome . MP is a Lagg nit,
(VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 124), this we know, he's trying to appear looser then he really is. a real lagg would have 4 betted AQ, but anyway, your1st error, laggs don't fold often, especially to small 3bets......Nits betting heavy has your 7 kicker beat 100% the time there....What you didn't post was SB and BB sats or even your own stats.... FPS at NL10$ oh please just stop already.....Your first book explains this....
The sad thing of your comment is that people who are not good himself and still have to learn might think what you say is correct, while in fact it is complete bull**** which should be ignored.
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